Quoting AEnigma III:

Well I did "click" there, and my virus software found and blocked a "trogan"

Quoting izah:

) fortunatly i have ears
But it's quite hard this. Of course i hear the difference betweensoprano and tenor (i call it high and law) but that sort of difference doesn't change the characteristics of the sound for me... Probably beacause in my own language (dutch) it won't.

And also i hear a big difference between the A of car and of date! For me their two totally different vowels. The car a is like the normal a in turkish (i suppose) and the date a sounds for me very close to the turksih (and dutch) e. (in dutch we write ee for this sound). I didnt know saat was pronounced like the a in date. For me saat sounds like a different sound, (in dutch we use aa for this as well) like yhe a in the french word 'a'.
Things like soft and light and high are not words i connect with the character of a sound... may be it depend on your motherthong how you hear/see this kind of things... (?) difficult and interesting all this!

Quoting izah:

i understand it is the same. But what is it? the a in date sounds as an e to me....

Quoting izah:

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting izah:

hmmz, i donot totally get this light a. I feel difference between for an back vowels but this.... I understand the t after the a does sound different too....?

about this firts topic:
is it

suleyman camiiye gitti
or
suleyman camiie gitti

Quoting izah:

What's a light or soft A? The a in saat does sound different (longer) than in aksam, but in sarf it doesnot (to me). The double aa is more in front of the mouth so saatler makes sense with the vowelharmony rule. But i do not understand that with a single a like in sarf....
A bit difficult: explaining how something sounds while writing, but may be somebody can... ?

Quoting MerciKaya:

My word today:

Sevdah – ecstasy, desire or love, derives from the Arabic word sawdah.

It was used at one point by doctors to describe black gall, a substance purported to control human feelings and emotions