To girls who are in relationship with Turkish men these are my suggestions:

1. I would definately suggest to spend some time together. Live together for a while or go to an holiday for a week or two. Since you understand each other very well doesnt necessarly mean you would make a good couple to live together.
People who start sharing a house with their friends will understand what I mean. As friends you might me very happy but as housemates you might be just the opposite. A smillar situation applies here.

2. Try to know more about the mens family. While they might seem the opposite some Turkish men might be very traditional and conservative.

3. For foreign women it is very hard to understand the kind of Turkish men you need to stay away from. Interestingly this is very easy for Turkish women. Observe his relationship with Turkish women who are well educated and modern. If he doesnt have these kind female friend you should be very suspicious. Maybe he is too despot and thats why.
Even the way they dress will tell something to a Turkish women but it wont to an unexperienced foreign women.
Ask the person if she thinks that your friend could be a maganda.

4. Are you sure your friend is ethnically Turkish? This is important because many turks in Turkia are Turkish citizens but not ethnically Turkish. If the person speaks another language than Turkish the cultural background could be very different.
You need to ask where his relatives live are from. For instance grandparents etc. Try to find more information about the culture where his family comes from. The east of Turkey is extremely different than the west. If he is originally from east but lives in the west there is a reason to be suspicious.

5. The music he listens can be a very usefull hint to understand a person. Find out about the music he listens and talk about this issue with modern Turkish women. There are many men who look very modern, act very nice and polite but in reallity they might be very different.

6. Finally have a look on my post about magandas. It starts here with my first post on this page and continues. Be sure your friend is not a maganda or maganda like.

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_8_35_4

"Yok böyle birşey" could be translated as "this cant be true"

Here is my favorite Turkish Rock Music group. They write the lyrics and make the music themselves. I find their music very original. To be honest I think the song "Siyah Beyaz" is a better song in any aspect than Metallica's balads "Nothing Else Matters" or "Unforgiven".

This album is really special. I definately would say many of these songs if not all of them are amongst the best Turkish rock music songs ever.

The group doesnt have too many fans. They dont like to be very popular.

Group: Pilli Bebek
Album: Utandırmadan
Songs:

1. Açılsın Gözlerin
2. Berrak
3. Fotoğraf
4. Hilal'in Sarkısı
5. Kara Diller
6. Kedi
7. Malabadi Köprüsü
8. Sakarya
9. Siyah Beyaz
10. Yoluna Baş Koy

Full Album 51MB
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZAADKTY6

If you want to be blessed look no further. You need to listen this song:

Siyah beyaz

Siyah beyaz düşlerimde seni hatırlarım
Bomboş ellerimde seni duyumsarım
Sensiz gecelerde sensiz ağlarım
Sonsuz gecelerde sensiz ağlarım

Fırtınalar sabahında doğan günü duyumsarım
Mevsimlerin sıcağında susuzluğa kanarım
Yitip giden insanlara, dostlarıma ağlarım
Yanlış zamanlara, sensizliğe ağlarım

Nedensiz sorgusuz bir rüya gözlerimde
Nedensiz sorgusuz bir duvar benliğimde

Siyah beyaz düşlerimde seni hatırlarım
Bomboş ellerimde seni duyumsarım
Sensiz gecelerde sensiz ağlarım
Sonsuz gecelerde sensiz ağlarım

This is another very strong song from the album:

Berrak
Berrak sudaki kırmızı balık
Sana canım demek için
Canımdan bir parça ve ışıksız gecelerin
Sessiz özgürlüklerini verdim
Dışı sevda içi zindan değilim artık

Gözlerimden süzen güvensizliği kuşkuyu
Hiç bu renk bir sevgiyle yenmedim
Ve güzelim sana sunduğum değerleri
Karşılıkların içinde büyütmedim
Dışı sevda içi zindan değilim artık

Here we have another interesting music band. This was their best and only good album and unfortunately afterwards they changed their style and their vocalist and they are just a useless group now.


Group: Kargo
Album: Sil Baştan
Songs:

1. Bir Zamanlar
2. Sil Baştan
3. Ortaköy
4. Günaydın Paris
5. Yanımda Sen Olmayınca
6. Haydi Gel
7. Fırtına
8. Sanı
9. Yıllar Sonra
10. Kim Bu insanlar

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=31G0D8SB

Thank you kartal for your suggestions. We are trying to take every suggestion into account. Actually what you have suggested is in my mind too. If I can write some lessons there will be some short explanation and afterwards the exercises will follow. But you know it takes time.



1.Senden aldığım telefonu kaybettim.
2.Burada yazdığım cümle yanlış.
3.Dün orada yazdığım cümleler doğru.
4.Sevdiği müzik güzel değil.
5.Bugün yazdığın mektubu aldım.
6.Belgrat'a geldiğin zaman nerede oturursun?
7.Belgrat'a geldiğin zaman nerede oturdun?
8.Binaya girdiğinde kimi gördün?
9.Sevdiğimiz herşeyi onlara satıyor.
10.Kırdıkları masa camdandı. (or ...camdan yapılmıştı )

On number 6,7 and 8 the -dik suffix makes an adverbial clause of time from the verb. Very good sentences I must say. They are almost perfect. I know many Turks who dont speak that good.

Here we have the secong group I would like to suggest. They are not one of my favorites but they are ok. Unfortunately uploading takes too much time so I might put the rest another time.

Group: Duman
Album: Bu Akşam

Songs:
1. Bu Aksam
4. Bebek
7. Hatun
9. Herşeyi Yak

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8ZM9P8CP

Group: Whisky
Album: Ateş Suyu
Songs:
1. Sen Bana Baharla Geldin

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KMNGITUG

If I had to choose 10 top songs of all times of Turkish Rock this song definately would be one of them. Unfortunately many Turks are not aware of this song. The singer has died at his very young age and the group wasnt the same afterwards.

For many years many Turkish artist thought the sounds in Turkish words were not suitable for rock music. These people should listen to that song.

Hello folks,
on this subject I cant be bothered with standard information. I will be uploading some mp3 files choosen from my archieve.
Some are full albums, some are less than full and one of them is a single song. Anyway this is a summary what will be available to download soon.
Cheers


duman (page 2)
egoist - artik yeter
kargo - sil bastan (page 2)
mavi sakal - (5 songs, check page 3)
pilli bebek - uyandirman (page 2)
umay umay - umay umay
whisky-(single song:Sen Bana Baharla Geldin) (just underneath this message)

The list has been updated with these new entries by bliss and daydreamer. We got two replies so far regarding the checking of the list but I would love to have more. At the end all suspicious words will be put together to see the common sense.
After the checking of the list we will show the list in the order of how frequently the words appear in Turkish. It sounds unbelievable but we have put almost all Turkish words in the order of frequency. Around 21000 words are in one list and the most common word is on the top. So it will be possible to see which of the words in our common words list (words I posted above) are in which rank.