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Thread: Who Knows How To say I Have Or I Do Not have

281.       juliacernat
424 posts
 04 Jan 2007 Thu 12:51 pm

there are two constructions for expressing necessity:

a) using "lazim"/ "gerkiyor":

ben gitmem lazim/ gerekiyor
sen gitmen lazim/gerekiyor
o gitmesi lazim/gerekiyor
biz gitmemiz lazim/ gerekiyor
siz gitmeniz lazim/gerekiyor
onlar gitmeleri lazim/ gerekiyor

b) using -meli-; the verb root+meli+ personal sufixes:
POSITIVE
ben sevmeliyim
sen sevmelisin
o sevmeli
biz sevmeliyiz
siz sevmelisiniz
onlar sevmeliler

NEGATIVE
ben sevmemeliyim
sen sevmemelisin
o sevmemeli
biz sevmemeliyiz
siz sevmemelisiniz
onlar sevmemeliler




Thread: T-E PLEASE!! LUTFEN!!

282.       juliacernat
424 posts
 04 Jan 2007 Thu 12:41 pm

hhey aşkım ben msn ne gelemem benim okul başladı .. artık hafta sonları görüşÃ¼rzz seni coOk seviıyorum aşkım öptüMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM"

"ben daha yeni kalktıM"


"hey, my love;I cannot go to the msn. My school has begun... we can see eachother on weekends. I love you very much, my love

I have just woken up"



Thread: Hugs

283.       juliacernat
424 posts
 03 Jan 2007 Wed 02:45 pm

merhaba!

I want to hug you= sana sarilmak istiyorum
I want you to hug me= bana sarilmani istiyorum

istemek does not ask the accusative suffix when the subject of the two clauses is the same (I want/ I hug)
istemek asks the accusative suffix when there are two clauses and two subjects (I want/ you hug)

Cay icmek istiyorum= I want to dink tea
I want to love you= Seni sevmek istiyorum (the same subject -I)
I want YOU to love me= beni sevmeni istiyorum (two subjects: I and You)
I want him to love me= Beni sevmesini istiyorum

etc, etc



Thread: ottoman empire/turkish history

284.       juliacernat
424 posts
 02 Jan 2007 Tue 12:57 pm

merhaba!
althought Edward Said's "Orientalism" is not about the Ottoman Empire, I think it is a book on West and East whose theses are worth being read.
Please find below its presentation from Wilkipedia.


"Orientalism
Said is best known for describing and critiquing "Orientalism", which he perceived as a constellation of false assumptions underlying Western attitudes toward the East. In Orientalism (1978), Said described the "subtle and persistent Eurocentric prejudice against Arabo-Islamic peoples and their culture."[14] He argued that a long tradition of false and romanticized images of Asia and the Middle East in Western culture had served as an implicit justification for Europe and America's colonial and imperial ambitions. Just as fiercely, he denounced the practice of Arab elites who internalized the American and British orientalists' ideas of Arabic culture.

In 1980 Said criticized what he regarded as poor understanding of the Arab culture in the West:

“ So far as the United States seems to be concerned, it is only a slight overstatement to say that Moslems and Arabs are essentially seen as either oil suppliers or potential terrorists. Very little of the detail, the human density, the passion of Arab-Moslem life has entered the awareness of even those people whose profession it is to report the Arab world. What we have instead is a series of crude, essentialized caricatures of the Islamic world presented in such a way as to make that world vulnerable to military aggression.[15] ”


[edit] The argument
Orientalism has had a significant impact on the fields of literary theory, cultural studies and human geography, and to a lesser extent on those of History and Oriental Studies. Taking his cue from the work of Jacques Derrida and Michel Foucault (acknowledging the influence of the latter, but not the former[16]), and from earlier critics of western Orientalism such as A. L. Tibawi[17], Anouar Malek-Abdel[18], Maxime Rodinson[19], and Richard William Southern[20], Said argued that Western writings on the Orient, and the perceptions of the East purveyed in them, are suspect, and cannot be taken at face value. According to Said, the history of European colonial rule and political domination over the East distorts the writings of even the most knowledgeable, well-meaning and sympathetic Western ‘Orientalists’ (a term which he transformed into a pejorative):

“ I doubt if it is controversial, for example, to say that an Englishman in India or Egypt in the later nineteenth century took an interest in those countries which was never far from their status in his mind as British colonies. To say this may seem quite different from saying that all academic knowledge about India and Egypt is somehow tinged and impressed with, violated by, the gross political fact – and yet that is what I am saying in this study of Orientalism. (Said, Orientalism 11) ”

Said contended that Europe had dominated Asia politically so completely for so long, that even the most outwardly objective Western texts on the East were permeated with a bias which even most Western scholars could not recognise. His contention was that the West has not only conquered the East politically, but that Western scholars have appropriated the exploration and interpretation of the Orient’s languages, history and culture for themselves. They have written Asia’s past and constructed its modern identities from a perspective which takes Europe as the norm, from which the "exotic", "inscrutable" Orient deviates.

Said concludes that Western writings about the Orient depict it as an irrational, weak, feminised "Other", contrasted with the rational, strong, masculine West, a contrast he suggests derives from the need to create "difference" between West and East which can be attributed to immutable "essences" in the Oriental make-up. In 1978, when the book was first published, with memories of the Yom Kippur war and the OPEC crisis still fresh, Said argued that these attitudes still permeated the Western media and academia. After stating the central thesis, Orientalism consists mainly of supporting examples from Western texts".



Thread: The techniques you use to memorize new words

285.       juliacernat
424 posts
 30 Dec 2006 Sat 11:56 pm

merhaba!
my method for learning vocabulary implies a pocket notebook which is always in my bag, from which I read whenever I have a little spare time (when I stand in a line, or travel by bus or by underground etc).
I also revise the vocabulary when I am at home by doing translations of simmple sentences.
For the words which seem to "trick" my memory, I put them down on post-its and stick them on the mirror in my room so that I have them before my eyes until I am sure I have memorised them.

hepimize iyi sanslar!



Thread: challenges in learning Turkce

286.       juliacernat
424 posts
 30 Dec 2006 Sat 11:38 pm

Merhaba!

I would like to know what has seemed to you most challenging in learning Turkce? What "issue" has posed you problems and seemed difficult to grasp?
and....how have you succeeded in understanding it?

Tesekkurler,
Julia



Thread: Kurban Bayrami English Christmas

287.       juliacernat
424 posts
 30 Dec 2006 Sat 11:33 pm

Mubarek Bayraminiz kutlu olsun!
Hepinize iyi, saglikli ve guzel yillar diliyorum!

Julia



Thread: what is the opinion on this??

288.       juliacernat
424 posts
 22 Dec 2006 Fri 01:17 pm

Merhaba!
Before going on with this topic, I think few clarifications are necessary.
First, talknig about liberties/rights we should differentiatiate between:
negative liberty/negative rights (defined as the individual`s liberty from being subjected to the authority of others, the area of personal freedom others should refrain interfering with), meaning;he right to life, to liberty, to the security of person (Helvetius says that: "the free man is the man who is not in irons, nor imprisoned in a gaol, nor terrorized like a slave by the fear of punishment.....it is not lack of freedom not to fly like an eagle or swim like a whale")
and
positive liberty/ positive rights (defined as the freedom of the individual to achieve certian goals), meaning: the right to education, to health care, social security etc
It is all about the ratio between the state and the individual and the relation between individuals and about the state role of preserving the negative liberty of the individuals.

On the other hand, when talking about what I/ you/ he/ she...give value to and respect, I think one should bear in mind that we are living in a multicultural world and before judging/ expressing a personal opinion, one should try to make an exercise of understanding the"other" fist.

As for the permanent "fight" for being right, remember that Socrates himself used to assert: "all I know is that I know nothing".



Thread: books you are reading/ books you recommend

289.       juliacernat
424 posts
 21 Dec 2006 Thu 10:07 am

Merhaba!
As I am pretty sure there are many of us reading more than the "incoming messages to our mobiles", I kindly ask you to answer the follwing two questions (maybe in this way we could stir the desire to read in others, too):

a) what are you reading now?
b) what would be the books you would recommend?(your top 3)

Mines would be:
a) Amin Maalouf- Samarkand
b) Herman Hesse- The Glass Bead Game (Master of the Game)
Jose Saramago- The Gospel according to Jesus Christ
Mircea Eliade- With the Gypsy Girls



Thread: common idioms and proverbs

290.       juliacernat
424 posts
 18 Dec 2006 Mon 11:44 am

I have just come across a Chineese proverb:

"for a soul craving for pleasures, happiness is not possible yet, whereas for a happy soul, pleasures are no longer necessary"



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