Quoting AEnigma III:

Poor Dutch girls ya

They will be so lonely on the beaches of Turkey this year

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting AEnigma III:

True, but its a waste of their precious time if there is no visa for all their hard work

Quoting AEnigma III:

Poor Dutch girls ya

They will be so lonely on the beaches of Turkey this year

Quoting AEnigma III:

Poor Dutch girls ya

They will be so lonely on the beaches of Turkey this year

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Trudy: Quoting AEnigma III: Poor Dutch girls ya They will be so lonely on the beaches of Turkey this year Why? The guys can't come to the Netherlands after their ahum .... 'meeting', so the guys will take all their chances in Turkey itself.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Trudy: Quoting AEnigma III: Poor Dutch girls ya They will be so lonely on the beaches of Turkey this year Why? The guys can't come to the Netherlands after their ahum .... 'meeting', so the guys will take all their chances in Turkey itself. True, but its a waste of their precious time if there is no visa for all their hard work

Quoting Elisabeth:

Just tell them that you are laughing at bed people!

Quoting fallenangel:

I hate the immigration in the uk. I have been with my turkish husband for 4 years, and married for 1year 2months.
We have fought for 3 years for him to come to england, so we can be a family. We have been treated worse than a convict, We have to show all our private msn chat, emails, letters, everything. And every time we apply we get refused, How can a person who has never me us, decide if we do or dont love each other, its a dissgrace,I hate the system,But have no other choice but to keep applying and appealing, so i can be with my husband.

Quoting fallenangel:

I hate the immigration in the uk. I have been with my turkish husband for 4 years, and married for 1year 2months.
We have fought for 3 years for him to come to england, so we can be a family. We have been treated worse than a convict, We have to show all our private msn chat, emails, letters, everything. And every time we apply we get refused, How can a person who has never me us, decide if we do or dont love each other, its a dissgrace,I hate the system,But have no other choice but to keep applying and appealing, so i can be with my husband.

Quoting catwoman:

I'm curious how is it possible that this is taking place in the UK despite such strict immigration laws...

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting ciko:

Please somebody tell me 'gay marriage' is not getting more difficult too in Holland

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting ciko:

Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: Please somebody tell me 'gay marriage' is not getting more difficult too in Holland ciko....there are no gays in Turkey to move to Holland so don't worry about it.

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting ciko: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: Please somebody tell me 'gay marriage' is not getting more difficult too in Holland ciko....there are no gays in Turkey to move to Holland so don't worry about it. well dont be that sure in istanbul, there are lots of gays are not happy to be in turkey because they cant get married Holland is my only hope..please dont destroy my dream!!!!!

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Quoting Trudy:

A new plan is brought to Dutch parliament to decrease the number of 'marriage immigrants', (m/f) from countries like Morocco and Turkey (two of the countries with many people already living in the Netherlands and 'importing' their bride or groom).

The new aspects are:

The bride/groom to be must speak at a certain level the Dutch language before entering the country and getting a temporary visa and have a positive view about the Netherlands, its culture and way of life

Both partners must be over 24 and prove they are not related - like in cousinship - (with DNA) to avoid in-breeding

The partner already in the Netherlands must make a deposit of 7.500 Euro which only will be paid back if after five years no social security support has been given.

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It is not a law yet, but it surely doesn't make it easier for people who want their partner coming to the Netherlands!

Quoting ciko:

is your husband a relative of Mahmud Ahmedinejad ? He said THERE IS NO GAY IN IRAN last month in USA in a conference

Quoting ciko:

Please somebody tell me 'gay marriage' is not getting more difficult too in Holland

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting ciko:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko: is your husband a relative of Mahmud Ahmedinejad ? He said THERE IS NO GAY IN IRAN last month in USA in a conference i dont think that idiot was in USA, i dont think he would get an invitation to that country he however was to some of south america state, dont remember which, maybe columbia? and said so, after he had executed about 200 gays.

Quoting fallenangel:

I hate the immigration in the uk. I have been with my turkish husband for 4 years, and married for 1year 2months.
We have fought for 3 years for him to come to england, so we can be a family. We have been treated worse than a convict, We have to show all our private msn chat, emails, letters, everything. And every time we apply we get refused, How can a person who has never me us, decide if we do or dont love each other, its a dissgrace,I hate the system,But have no other choice but to keep applying and appealing, so i can be with my husband.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Dont blame the "system" or the government. Blame the 570,000 illegal immigrants living in the UK who arrive with tourist visas and "disappear". Blame the "marriage for visa" immigrants. Blame the false asylum seekers. This is not a facist opinion and I embrace a multi-cultural society, but the fact is that illegal immigration earns in millions of pounds to crime/drug organisations.

If the British Embassy was rude or harsh, its because (rather like us at TC) they see thousands of Dudus every day.....

If none of the above existed, it would be MUCH easier for you to "import" your men to this country

Quoting Trudy:

Exactly the same goes for the Netherlands.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Dont blame the "system" or the government. Blame the 570,000 illegal immigrants living in the UK who arrive with tourist visas and "disappear". Blame the "marriage for visa" immigrants. Blame the false asylum seekers. This is not a facist opinion and I embrace a multi-cultural society, but the fact is that illegal immigration earns in millions of pounds to crime/drug organisations.

If the British Embassy was rude or harsh, its because (rather like us at TC) they see thousands of Dudus every day.....

If none of the above existed, it would be MUCH easier for you to "import" your men to this country

Quoting thehandsom:

I am not entirely sure it is the right perspective actually!!
A few example:
Most criminals are black, police does not have right to treat treat them 'they are guilty until it is proven innocent'. do they?
All IRA militants are Irish, you cant treat all Irish as criminals.

You cant say to a mistreated black guy 'oh you blame the black criminals for your treatment' or to an Irish guy 'you blame IRA mate'. can you?
Mistreatment is mistreatment. Racism is racism under any circumstances. I cant see any excuse I am afraid!!

Quoting thehandsom:

police does not have right to treat treat them 'they are guilty until it is proven innocent'.

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting thehandsom:

I am not entirely sure it is the right perspective actually!!
A few example:
Most criminals are black, police does not have right to treat treat them 'they are guilty until it is proven innocent'. do they?

All IRA militants are Irish, you cant treat all Irish as criminals because of IRA.

You cant say to a mistreated black guy 'oh you blame the black criminals for your treatment' or to an Irish guy 'you blame IRA mate'. can you?

Mistreatment is mistreatment. Racism is racism under any circumstances.
I cant see any excuse or justification I am afraid!!

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting ciko: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko: is your husband a relative of Mahmud Ahmedinejad ? He said THERE IS NO GAY IN IRAN last month in USA in a conference i dont think that idiot was in USA, i dont think he would get an invitation to that country he however was to some of south america state, dont remember which, maybe columbia? and said so, after he had executed about 200 gays. apparently you dont have time to read news..he was in usa last month for UN meeting.

Quoting thehandsom:

Ok..
May be racism is nothing to do with it. But I definitely felt it during my interview (years ago btw).
And everybody, who had the experience, is talking about very unkind treatment there.
And it is WRONG and I cant see the justification for it.

You cant turn and say to me 'they were right to treat you like a criminal' because of your imigration problem.
Nobody has right to treat me as if I am a criminal.

Quoting thehandsom:

And everybody, who had the experience, is talking about very unkind treatment there.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Handsom, rightly or wrongly, the UK population rises at a staggering 500 people A DAY!

Are you suggesting we make that figure higher? We are a VERY SMALL COUNTRY!!!!

Quoting Elisabeth:

There is that "make the world England" thing you tried a while back....HUMMMMM...but it seems that you can't make England English right now...right, bad idea!

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Handsom, rightly or wrongly, the UK population rises at a staggering 500 people A DAY!

Are you suggesting we make that figure higher? We are a VERY SMALL COUNTRY!!!!

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting AEnigma III:

I can assure you that immigration to the US is much tougher...

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting thehandsom:

You are mixing it up. 'treating good' and 'granting visa' are completely different things. phew!!

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting thehandsom: And everybody, who had the experience, is talking about very unkind treatment there. imagine the flood of immigration if they start treating good and granting visa to everyone as aenigma have already said: they see those dudus everyday, and are possibly fed up.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Repeat again, do you think it is OK that a small country like the UK has an increase in population of 500 people every day?

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting thehandsom: And everybody, who had the experience, is talking about very unkind treatment there. imagine the flood of immigration if they start treating good and granting visa to everyone as aenigma have already said: they see those dudus everyday, and are possibly fed up.

Quoting catwoman:

I agree with handsome on this one. If the british immigration law really served the purpose there wouldn't be the quoted 500 people coming every day. Why is there so much illegal immigration of people who are likely to be criminals but legal immigrants are treated like terrorists? Seems like the government is punishing on the wrong people... as always!!!!!

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting thehandsom: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting thehandsom: And everybody, who had the experience, is talking about very unkind treatment there. imagine the flood of immigration if they start treating good and granting visa to everyone as aenigma have already said: they see those dudus everyday, and are possibly fed up. treating good means granting visa? phew!!

Quoting femme_fatal:

what did you expect from them? that they would stroke on your head serve you coffee and express their happiness homing a handsome turk?
put yourself into their shoes. if theres an immgration flood into my country i would definetly be not happy.
i am not justifying the mistreatment, but you are an adult not mamas boy, to understand it.

Quoting thehandsom:

AEnigma, you dont have to be treated like a visa applicant is treated to understand that treatment is WRONG.
I dont want to say anything about 500 people a DAY! or making the figure higher or you are already a small country.
Can all those justify the mistreatment?

Quoting xkirstyx:

what a remarkable way to look at life, if you are treated unjustly, shrug it off and say doesnt matter because I'm an adult now I'm starting to understand you a bit more now!!

Quoting catwoman:

Is there really nothing that the government could have done to prevent islamic extremism in the UK?

Quoting xkirstyx:

what a remarkable way to look at life, if you are treated unjustly, shrug it off and say doesnt matter because I'm an adult now I'm starting to understand you a bit more now!!

Quoting AEnigma III:

How can we prevent Islamic extremism when they daily see pictures of innocent people being killed there?

Quoting xkirstyx:

what a remarkable way to look at life, if you are treated unjustly, shrug it off and say doesnt matter because I'm an adult now

Quoting xkirstyx:

I'm starting to understand you a bit more now!!

Quoting catwoman:

You can be angry about the war in Iraq but you are not allowed to preach hatred of the country that feeds you even though you don't work!!! These are two completely separate issues!

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting xkirstyx:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting xkirstyx: what a remarkable way to look at life, if you are treated unjustly, shrug it off and say doesnt matter because I'm an adult now I'm starting to understand you a bit more now!! Kirsty - have you ever disagreed with a Turkish man? Do you never say NO?

Quoting AEnigma III:

CW it is not a case of "I defend myself by attacking you". However your views about the UK in general are pretty clear and, for someone who accuses me of US bashing, its sometimes tempting to throw back the same question to you!!!

I agree there is probably more than can be done and the government has made recent changes. Generally though I don't know what the answer is. Hopefully someone more knowledge in the immigration department has the answer

Quoting femme_fatal:

the storm has calmed!

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting christine:

The area where i live has a large asian communite and some have been here over 30 years and still can't speak english.

Quoting christine:

The area where i live has a large asian communite and some have been here over 30 years and still can't speak english.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting SERA_2005:

Hmm kinda generalised don't you think.Plus i don't like the 'them' and 'us' language.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting SERA_2005:

Ok fair enough maybe i miss understood your point.It just seems to me that there is talk of ' the other' or 'alien' in the air and that makes me feel really sick. I don't have a problem with people coming to the UK,its called migration thats what happens. Some people leave and some people come we need this happening to keep our economy going. Plus wouldnt it be boring if when i went out the door in the morning all i saw were people of the same race and ethnicity.

Quoting SERA_2005:

If i had my way it would be the more the merrier,open border policy. I am not so naive as to believe that this would be functional and or possible but a girl can dream. I guess i am just too much of a fluffy liberal for my own good!

Quoting christine:

The area where i live has a large asian communite and some have been here over 30 years and still can't speak english.

Quoting SERA_2005:

Quoting catwoman:

These Asians are still better then some other immigrant groups because at least they don't aspire to convert and destroy the country they live in.

Quoting AlphaF:

I hope you will never have to face your personal terrorist someday. You will convert quick enough...

Quoting AlphaF:

I hope you will never have to face your personal terrorist someday. You will convert quick enough...

Quoting christine:

Quoting SERA_2005:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting thehandsom:

+1000
You are not naive Sera..
You are a NORMAL human being!!

Quoting thehandsom:

Oh come on!!
The subject is not Islam or islam in Europe!!

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting thehandsom:

Oh come on!!
The subject is not Islam or islam in Europe!!

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting christine:

femme_fatal chris!!! is this meant for me???? My parents named me Christine and that is what i like to be called please and on the subject of my country man speaking his mind a rare thing. Yes this is because of the political correction brigade.

Quoting thehandsom:

I watched it..I agree with what he is saying..It is a great video.
But I am still trying to connect it with the immigration though..may be I missed something. I will go back and read..

Quoting thehandsom:

I watched it..I agree with what he is saying..It is a great video.
But I am still trying to connect it with the immigration though..may be I missed something. I will go back and read..

Quoting femme_fatal:

sorry for shortening sensitive?
me not! call me fatal, femme fatale

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting christine:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting christine: femme_fatal chris!!! is this meant for me???? My parents named me Christine and that is what i like to be called please and on the subject of my country man speaking his mind a rare thing. Yes this is because of the political correction brigade. sorry for shortening sensitive? me not! call me fatal, femme fatale

Quoting thehandsom:

b-Turks in Germany are not as radical as you think in generic terms as far as islam is concerned. (And the first generation of Turks were invited there in 1960s anyway)
I have no idea for the others..

Quoting AlphaF:

That is the only thing Western Women can get out of life, as females..NAMES

They have to "stand up on their own feet", rest of the time )))))))))))))))

Quoting AlphaF:

That is the only thing Western Women can get out of life, as females..NAMES

They have to "stand up on their own feet", rest of the time )))))))))))))))