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04 Feb 2008 Mon 05:54 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting qdemir: If your life or life of a member of your family is under threat just because of your faith, you are allowed to hide your faith, or you are allowed to say as opposed to whay you actually believe.
This is called 'takiyye' in Islam. |
That's really interesting. If I remember correctly, in Catholicism, whatever the threat, you are being rewarded for abiding by your faith. Rejecting your faith - even if you're lying to save yourself - is considered a sin. Islam seems quite an opportunistic religion, judging by what you're saying. On the one hand, like extremists blowing up innocent people, you should fight for your faith, even die; on the other, if it's inconvenient, or you might lose your money, feel free to reject Islam, Allah won't hold a grudge against you as you're lying. Lying a virtue? Or, at least something a God can tolerate? Weird...
You know, I'm not God, but if I were, I'd hate my supporters to be free to reject me if only that's convenient for them. |
You should have quoted the following instance, too:
One of the companions of Hz Mohammed, Ammar and his parents were tortured by non-believers as he became a Muslim. He was forced to denial of his belief by torturing his father and mother heavily. His father and mother died of severe torture. As he was exposed to excruciating torture he said what he was asked for by non-believers. However, it was just a denial in words, but not one from the heart. Hz Mohammed told him if he was exposed to such a torture again he would say in the same way.
Quoting qdemir: If your properties or money are under threat you are allowed to tell lies.
This is also called 'takiyye'
Nobody tells the truth when they are threatened by robbers. It wouldn't be wise just for sake of telling the truth.
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Does it mean you can reject Islam to save your money!?
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 06:17 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko:
of course you can talk but the more you talk the more they tease your religion..i just dont want them to make fun of my religion ..cos it hurts me..thats all. |
well, dear boy, try to learn that there are people with diverse opinions about your religion. you ve got to learn to receive criticisms.
otherwise you are immature just as those who react with anger and murder anyone met in foreign embassies, churches or synagogues |
well dear girl, i know there are people with diverse opinions about my religion and i have some unusual opinions about my religion and i am able to question my own religion but sometimes you judge whole the religion according to only what you see in your countries...i mean extremists.. Islam is not as bad as you think. there are some beautiful things in islam femme. i dont expect you to be nice to muslims....and i dont care about it but i just expect you to consider that believers could be sensitive sometimes when you are so harsh to their religions..and i think it is understandable ( if you ever believed in anything in your life..you can understand what i mean)
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 06:24 pm |
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Now I am a bit confused qdemir.
previously you wrote that :
"Every thing is distinctly stated in the Koran. Nobody is allowed, or licensed to state otherwise."
I assumed that takkiye is in Koran itself.
The event you are mentioning, thinking about the time scale, happened after Islam's creation. I mean Kuran was already there and Mohammad was the prophet. (Because his friend was a believer-believing in Islam- had been tortured by non-believers etc)
If takkiye is in Kuran, are you suggesting that 'that incident' had happened and God sent that a new verse because of that event?
Or takkiye is not in Kuran itself?
ps..I am really trying to understand the timescale of it..I am not trying insinuate anything.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 07:41 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Daydreamer: Oh, by the way, I'm not defending or promoting Catholicism, I'm an atheist so I'm gonna burn in hell anyway... |
Hehehe you can join me, thehandsom, and 99.9% of women then (plus raki) ....  
I think thehandsom will be too busy to talk to US though  |
Yet, there is still hope for all of you. 
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 07:44 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1:
Yet, there is still hope for all of you. |
I'm not sure that "Hail Mary's" can save this bunch...but we can try teas! Go Go Dynamic Catholic Duo Powers!! 
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 08:01 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Daydreamer: Oh, by the way, I'm not defending or promoting Catholicism, I'm an atheist so I'm gonna burn in hell anyway... |
Hehehe you can join me, thehandsom, and 99.9% of women then (plus raki) ....
I think thehandsom will be too busy to talk to US though |
with 99.9% of women?
goodness! are you really gonna enjoy such hell of women?
i prefer 99% of men.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 08:02 pm |
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btw, what allah has prepared for women in the jannah?
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 08:02 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal:
with 99.9% of women?
goodness! are you really gonna enjoy such hell of women?
i prefer 99% of men.
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I agree but sadly most of them go to eternal paradise 
I will fight you for thehandsom 
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 08:51 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: btw, what allah has prepared for women in the jannah? |
a more comfortable harem.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 09:00 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting femme_fatal: btw, what allah has prepared for women in the jannah? |
a more comfortable harem. |
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