Just because to make them understandable by your level 

 

 

Come on..

You are trying your best and that is your best..

So what about the topic mentioned there? You dont have any answers? 

You are just like s++, who can not answer and who can not argue, who can not prove what he is saying and turn everything into a slang match?  

Go ;read; think and then come back into the politics section stronger please.

You are no fun to argue..

 

 

 

 It appears that the level is still too high for you to understand, Should I lower it a bit more?

 

 

Go and ask why Kurds are supporting BDP and PKK.  Ask Armegon why he thinks KURDS ARE SUPPORTING PKK?

Armegon is the expert here?  I have many CLEVER Kurdish friends in Kadıköy, Istanbul and I assure you that I do talk with them about the problem. None of them think the same way as yours. Some of them voted for AKP, and most of them for CHP. But none of them for BDP.

See numbers below:

http://secim.haberler.com/2009/sonuc.asp?il=kadikoy

total vote: 228.408

DTP (now BDP) : 445

Are you naive enough to believe there were 445 Kurdish voters living in Kadıköy at that time?

What is funny TKP (Turkish Communist party) voted almost  three times more than DTP :1078 

They are supporting BDP. They are not suporting any of the other parties..CHP/MHP they DONT EXISTS THERE.. They are not accepting the Turkish nationalist approach..

Kurdish people living in western Turkey behave differently than those living in eastern Turkey. Why don´t you try to search about the reasons behind it?

You hate it, you dont want to hear about it balh blah.. But it does not matter. Theye are there.. Kurds are there.. They are voting BDP.. They are in the parlimant.  You have to accept that as the REALITY AND admit you were wrong.. (There is nothing wrong with admitting that )

What this picture tells you?

 http://secim.haberler.com/2009/

Yep, they are there and 1/3 of them vote for BDP : % 5.7

You dont know your own history but you are quite happy to talk about what you dont know..

ypu are welcome to teach me some history, Theh Bardakçı,

Our Kurdish problem has been a problem since 1920s... This is being accepted by almost everybody.. What is your benefit in this denial? (Ah of course, sorry.. it is nothing to do with ´eu and usa´  as you were told by our generals. I thought you would not believe their lies as they told us so many)

Haha! Believe me I hate generals at least as much as you do.

YOUR president is telling you that Our Kurdish Problem is our INTERNAL PROBLEM..

His words have no value to me. 

YOUR PM is telling you that he has to continue with Kurdish opening.

He has a bad habit of telling lies

YOUR Kurkish population is ASKING FOR more rights and asking for that opening..

Our Kurdish population in Eastern Turkey is ASKING FOR BETTER LIVING STANDARDS.

And what is all these USA´s invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan  got to do with PKK  which was formed in 1970s and our Kurdish problem since 1920s? Did  G Bush advice Kenan Evren in 1980´s that ´you ban Kurdish language and change all kurdish names in the map´ in advance before becoming president? Or was it Americans told us ´torture Kurds more in Diyarbakir prison´? Are you sure you are not mixing the lies of war loving generals with the start of our Kurdish problem and everything?  It seems it is all mixed to me!!

Haha! what type of communist you are that you don´t belive in dialectic materialism?

And in the end.. the choice is very simple:

You give their rights to KURDS and live in peace as single country..

Can you list the rights taken from the Kurds by the Turkish government?

Or you dont give anything and insist that it is terrorism only and get more poeple killed and split Turkey in the end..

You resume praising terror.

I prefer the first option.  And what you prefer is not what I prefer!!!

You don´t have to make me cry!

Armegon is the expert here? {#emotions_dlg.lol} I have many CLEVER Kurdish friends in Kadiköy, Istanbul and I assure you that I do talk with them about the problem. None of them think the same way as yours. Some of them voted for AKP, and most of them for CHP. But none of them for BDP.

See numbers below:

http://secim.haberler.com/2009/sonuc.asp?il=kadikoy

total vote: 228.408

DTP (now BDP) : 445

Are you naive enough to believe there were 445 Kurdish voters living in Kadiköy at that time? {#emotions_dlg.lol}

What is funny TKP (Turkish Communist party) voted almost  three times more than DTP :1078 Wink


Kurdish people living in western Turkey behave differently than those living in eastern Turkey. Why don´t you try to search about the reasons behind it?

What this picture tells you?

 http://secim.haberler.com/2009/

Yep, they are there and 1/3 of them vote for BDP : % 5.7 {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}
Well actuallly look at the picture yourself in that link. Almost all cities where our Kurdish people live voted for BDP!!
And 1/3 of Kurdish vote is huge considering huge number of  Kurds being paid by the states as militias, AKP goverment were bribing them openly, nationalist Turks were accusing them as terrorists, this is a huge success..

That election was a tipping point in Turkish politics because it was realised  by the state what really Kurds think and want..

They want their identity as Kurds. And you can not blame them when almost the entire country is screaming as ´Turkey belongs to Turks´..
And guess what.. I am not the only one thinking that way

This was written by M Ali Birand for example.
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_40086

The Kurdish messages were very clear:

The Kurdish identity is more important than anything else. No matter how much service you supply, the priority is the acceptance of our Kurdish identity. The Kurdish issue will be solved with politics, not weapons. The DTP needs to be our addressee for the Kurdish issue. This party represents us. ..

Let’s not push the DTP outside the system

And as far as Armegon is concerned, at least he has courage  to say what everybody already knows. He is not denying it.

ypu are welcome to teach me some history, Theh Bardakçi, {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

It seems like yes, I really can..
Again many moons ago I gave the link to famous sark islahat plani (http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_29206)
I recommend you start with that, and then read what Inonu said in Lossane and then read Seyh Said rebellion (1920s) and then read about Dersim rebellion (1930s)(which was in the media recently).. Read there how many kurds women/children/old were gassed in the caves..And try to relate them to usa and eu..

Then come to 1980s..Read what those generals you dont like, did to our Kurds... Read how Kurdish language was banned and how they said ´we do not have Kurds´. Then read abit more and learn what JITEM did when they were telling you ´it is all USA and EU tut tut tut..´. Learn how many Kurds they killed.. Anyway.. It is a really long story.. But you have to start from some where..


Haha! Believe me I hate generals at least as much as you do.
But you dont hesitate to believe what they say.. do you?


Our Kurdish population in Eastern Turkey is ASKING FOR BETTER LIVING STANDARDS.

And in the end.. the choice is very simple:

You give their rights to KURDS and live in peace as single country..

Can you list the rights taken from the Kurds by the Turkish government?

Or you dont give anything and insist that it is terrorism only and get more poeple killed and split Turkey in the end..

You resume praising terror.

I prefer the first option.  And what you prefer is not what I prefer!!!

You don´t have to make me cry! {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

 

well I think it is better if you cry really..

While kurds are losing all hearts to live with us day by day, you still dont know what it is all about!!

Again, the choice is very clear:

a)  Give their rights to Kurds and live with them peacefully (Banning their language and trying to assimilate them and insisting ´there are no kurds´, forcing them ´look you are Turks´ did not work)

b) Insist that it is terrorism only (like we did since 198 and accuse USA and EU and see more people dying and eventually see Turkey being split.

 

As one of the Turks, I want to live with Kurds peacefully.. I dont want to see my country being split.. I dont want to see anybody dying for this stupid war..

So I prefer option a..

 

 

 As one of the Turks (?!), I want to live with Kurds peacefully.. I dont want to see my country being split.. I dont want to see anybody dying for this stupid war..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Velev ki I am not.. You are not, why do you deny it? it wont change the fact that ´you are against the peace and in favour of seeing people get killed and will cause the splitting of my country´ will it? Who´s killing who? If somebody attacks you with the aim of killing, you would kill him if you can, before he kills you, right?

And it is not a good idea and time for you really to come on me right now. I just read an article about ´us not giving the bodies of killed PKK members to their families and what was done to their bodies..

http://www.gencbilim.com/Haber/Cenazeye-saygi_80320.html

Read it yourself and dont say a word please.. No comment

I really want to have a go at full scale sometimes.. So dont!! Go ahead if you want, but you always feed the same things. I will not read it, maybe some others might be interested.

 

 

 

All in all hanso, you have managed to turn this thread into PKK propaganda again as you always do.

Velev ki I am not.. You are not, why do you deny it? it wont change the fact that ´you are against the peace and in favour of seeing people get killed and will cause the splitting of my country´ will it? Who´s killing who? If somebody attacks you with the aim of killing, you would kill him if you can, before he kills you, right?

And it is not a good idea and time for you really to come on me right now. I just read an article about ´us not giving the bodies of killed PKK members to their families and what was done to their bodies..

http://www.gencbilim.com/Haber/Cenazeye-saygi_80320.html

Read it yourself and dont say a word please.. No comment

I really want to have a go at full scale sometimes.. So dont!! Go ahead if you want, but you always feed the same things. I will not read it, maybe some others might be interested.

 

 

As I said many times in the past ONLY A TURKISH RACIST WILL ACCUSE OTHERS AS BEING A NON TURK. The reason is very simple: Because they think ´calling a person non Turk´ is the worst insult. The head of the army did the same thing for example.. So it is very common and overall behavior by common racists..

So you are not denying that you go for option ´b´? And you are proud of it?

And as for the news, keep burying your head into the sand..

End of that article it says :"Insan bir hayvana bile bunu yapmaz"-

´Human beings dont do  this even to an animal´.

No surprise from me that you are not interested in hearing that..