Whether Qur´an has changed on the way or not is not a question of belief. An absolute truth exists over there somewhere, maybe it has been discovered maybe not.

What is a question of belief is whether it is a revelation from God or not.

I never attacked you, barba_mama. For some reason you just felt like I did.

´Of course.´

Is this what you mean, Prashantsharma?

Keloğlan şarkısı

Ben bir garip Keloğlanım

Eşeğimin yok palanı

Varım yoğum doğruluktur

Hiç de sevmem ben yalanı

Bir kocakarı anam var

Birkaç tavuk bir de inek

Her gün konar kel kafama

Evsiz kalmış birkaç sinek"

Olmam kimseye kul köle

Halkın kulağı diliyim

Namertlere avuç açmam

Sivri akıllı biriyim

Keloğlanım budur özüm

Haram malda yoktur gözüm

Garip hakkını yiyene

Elbet vardır bir çift sözüm

http://www.yeniasya.com.tr/2008/01/04/dizi/default.htm

Bir babanın yürek yangınları

Who knows what is on a man’s mind when he has his own son killed? This is what happened to Suleiman the Magnificient who fell into a trap set by his wife, his daugter and his son-in-law and ordered the 39-year-old crown prince Mustafa to be strangled on the plain of Ereğli in 1553.

Prince Mustafa was popular among the army and his death caused restlessness in the Empire. As a result prince Bayezid, the son of Suleiman and Hürrem and prince Selim’s only competitor left for the throne, made an action which by his father was interpreted as a betrayal. In spite of appealing to the Sultan it led him into exile and execution in Persia.

It was not the first time when Suleiman lost a child. Prince Mehmed had died of smallpox ten years earlier. They say his father took it hard. Șehzade Mosque in Istanbul was built in his memory. Prince Jihangir was born handicapped and he lost his life also at an early age.

Mehmet İpçioğlu, the writer of the article, describes the sorrow of the father after all these afflictions:

Topkapı Sarayının pencerelerden bakınca masal gibi bir hayat. Ah bir de içeriye girince, saadet denen şeyi yakalamaya hiçbir zaman gücü yetmemiş bir padişah görüyor insan, gerçekte. ‘It is a life that looks like a fairy tale when one looks at it through the windows of Topkapı Palace. But, oh, if you go inside you see a Sultan who in actual fact never was able to reach a thing called happiness.’

My Try:

I lost. I have given up the idea of you loving me. My heart is broken, I am done with your leavings. Maybe you never loved me from all your heart. Just know when you left I got so sad.

barba_mama, I have a slight problem with this attitude of yours that you know and our muslim members just believe because they have been programmed to do so. I am looking forward to seeing your evidence also.

I am not an expert of Qur´an or classical Arabic or an expert of anything to that point but I have read about this issue. Jaakko Hämeen-Anttila, the professor of Arabic and Islam in Helsinki University has in his writings come to the conclusion that there is no proof of the Qur´an having gone through changes during its history even though western researchers have put serious effort into proving the opposite. Hämeen-Anttila is still in the middle of his career and you can easily find more information about him and his views.

Hämeen-Anttila is not a muslim if it helps.

What comes to the classification of hadiths on terms of how authentic they are I have understood that it has been fixed in the golden age of islamic civilization and done with special care and scholarship. Shoot me down if I am wrong.

Sorry, I posted to the wrong place.

Nooooo, insallah, I was so close to it all day and now you were faster.

This is a disaster, tunci. Fortunately I still didn´t throw my letter cards away.