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Thread: -erek: Time of Action

1911.       Abla
3648 posts
 24 Jun 2012 Sun 11:17 pm

I thought I found an exception but it seems I didn´t. In any case the action of hanging took place before sending, not afterwards. (Needless to say I thought he was hanged in Istanbul.)

 

Thanks, Heydi, tunci.

 

 



Thread: The Name of Istanbul

1912.       Abla
3648 posts
 24 Jun 2012 Sun 11:10 pm

 

http://www.frmtr.com/tarih-ve-inkilap-tarihi/724275-sultan-ucuncu-murat-tarih.html

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/III._Murad

 

Ûçüncü Murad

 

 

When we look at Murad III’s (reign 1574-95) acchievements in the light of numbers it looks like a success. The empire was in constant war against Iran and Austria and gained more land in North Africa also.


Sokullu Mehmed Paşa´nın ağırlığını hissettirdiği III. Murad döneminde, Osmanlı toprakları en geniş sınırlarına ulaştı. During the reign of Murad III which clearly showed Sokollu Mehmed Pasha’s significance the Ottoman land reached its maximum expansion.


They say Murad was a learned man with a compassionate character. He played a role in the post-reformation Christian Europe taking clearly the side of protestants. But he was not much of a statesman. The Sultan was an alcohol addict and during his reign he never bothered to leave Istanbul. Huge amount of money was put to his harems. He would have been in real trouble if he didn’t have a competent and loyal grand vizier. 


Devlet işlerini Sokullu´ya devreden Sultan Üçüncü Murad zamanında, sarayda kadınlar devlet işlerine çokça karışmaya başladılar ve bu durum Sokullu´nun ölümünden sonra da artarak devam etti. At the time of Sultan Murad III who transferred governmental tasks to Sokollu the women in the palace began to interfere a lot in state affairs. This continued and even proliferated after Sokullu’s death.

 

                                                        


Btw, in the light of numbers…some sources say that Murad III had 103 children. 

 

 



Edited (6/25/2012) by Abla



Thread: -erek: Time of Action

1913.       Abla
3648 posts
 24 Jun 2012 Sun 09:06 pm

                     Amiral Emmo derhal asılarak İstanbul´a gönderildi.

 

When was the man executed?



Thread: Correction please

1914.       Abla
3648 posts
 24 Jun 2012 Sun 05:40 pm

(Onun) yürümesini istiyorum.

 

yürü|me|si|n|i = verb stem + infinitive marking + possessive suffix sg 3rd + pronominal -n- + accusative ending = ´his walking´

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Thread: Correction please

1915.       Abla
3648 posts
 24 Jun 2012 Sun 04:33 pm

Quote:tunci

Türkçe öğrenmek istiyorum ---> I´d like to learn Turkish

Türkçe öğrenmeyi istiyorum ---> I´d like learning Turkish.

 

Maybe it is basically the difference between definite and indefinite object.



Thread: Correction please

1916.       Abla
3648 posts
 24 Jun 2012 Sun 03:21 pm

Infinitive marking changes the verb into a noun. A noun is treated like a noun is treated: it takes case endings. Which form is used is not grammar, it is lexical information. We check from the dictionary which case is needed and follow the instructions. For instance we find

 

sevmek /ı/
1. to love; to like.
2. to fondle, caress. Sevsinler! colloq. Now isn´t he/she something! (said sarcastically). Sev beni, seveyim seni. proverb You scratch my back and I´ll scratch yours.

 

|ı| means accusative and it shows in the syntax no matter if the complement is a noun or a verb:

 

                         annem|i seviyorum ACC

                         okuma|y|ı seviyorum ACC

 

Respectively

 

                         ev|e gidiyorum DAT

                         yüzme|y|e gidiyorum DAT

 

Two verbs, istemek and bilmek, however, make an exception. Their demand of accusative governing doesn’t show in the infinitive:

 

                         elma|yı istiyorum ACC

                         yürümek istiyorum Ø

 

Anyway, this works only in the simple situations where the one who wants and the one who performs the action are one and the same person. Make the sentence a little bit more complicated (‘I want him to walk’ ) and the ACC ending shows.

 

I was thinking about the rule that you suggested:


Quote:Lady_A

...that when two verbs come one after the other, the second one is infinitive

 

Maybe I would put it this way: there is only one finite verb in a sentence. If there is another verb it has to be subordinated to the finite verb, i. e. marked an infinitive or a participle.



Edited (6/24/2012) by Abla
Edited (6/24/2012) by Abla

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Thread: Reminder of Derivational Suffix -li

1917.       Abla
3648 posts
 23 Jun 2012 Sat 12:17 pm

Quote:tunci

Note that these words didnt follow the vowel harmony

 

I have noticed the overdose of ü in the latter syllables in Ottoman Turkish words. It surprises me. I mean if you want to break the vowel harmony why do it in the most difficult way? ü is probably the vowel variant that takes the greatest energy when pronouncing it: it is labial, it is round... Usually when phonologic rules are broken speakers are looking for what is easier, not what takes more labour.

 

Breaking phonological rules by adding some extra ü´s looks like a linguistic fashion to me. Something fancy, something done for the sake of vanity. I wonder if they really pronounced it that way.



Thread: Ne Yapsam Revisited-Optative and Conditonal

1918.       Abla
3648 posts
 23 Jun 2012 Sat 10:33 am

I also visited Ne yapsam again yesterday. It is a pearl among threads. I recommend.

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Thread: T to E a bit long sorry ;)

1919.       Abla
3648 posts
 23 Jun 2012 Sat 10:32 am

Quote:lakklo

SUSKUN SANIYORLAR BENİ; Değilim.. Anlaşılmadığım ve Anlamadığım Bir Dünyada Kelimelere Küsüm Sadece...
YALNIZ SANIYORLAR BENİ; Değilim.. Kimsenin Kalabalığı Olmadım ve Kimseyi de Kalabalık Edemem Bundan Sonra Dünyamda, Bu da Benim Tercihim.
GÜVENSİZ SANIYORLAR BENİ; Değilim.. Sadece Kendi İçimde Kendime Göre Bir Dengem Var, ve Bir Daha Kırılırsam Toparlanamama Endişesi Taşıyor Yüreğim.
BU YÜZDEN ŞİMDİLİK SADECE KENDİME GÜVENİYORUM.
Anlamakta Zorlandığım Bir Dünyada, Anlaşılmayı Zaten Beklemiyorum...
BEN BÖYLE İYİYİM....

 

My Try:

 

THEY BELIEVE I AM QUIET. I’m not. I’m just peeved with words in this world which I don’t understand and which doesn’t understand me.

THEY BELIEVE I AM LONELY. I’m not. I didn’t make it crowded for anyone, I can’t stand on anyone’s way. From now on I’m in my world. It’s my choice.

THEY BELIEVE I AM JEALOUS. I’m not. Just there is a certain balance inside of me. And if I am broken once more my heart will overflow with anxiety and it will not recover again.

THAT IS WHY FOR NOW I TRUST MYSELF ONLY. In a world which I have difficulty understanding and which I don’t even expect to understand me.

I AM FINE THIS WAY.

 



Edited (6/23/2012) by Abla



Thread: Reminder of Derivational Suffix -li

1920.       Abla
3648 posts
 22 Jun 2012 Fri 10:39 pm

Quote:tunci

This suffix also can be attached onto some infinitives...

 

Really? I don´t think I ever saw it before. Thanks for adding the information.



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