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Thread: Generic person in Turkish?

3561.       Abla
3648 posts
 26 Jul 2011 Tue 01:41 pm

Güzel. Now I know. Thank you.



Thread: Generic person in Turkish?

3562.       Abla
3648 posts
 26 Jul 2011 Tue 09:34 am

Hello and thanks, tunci and caliptrix. I understand from your answers that this job is often trusted to infinitive forms, but kişi or biri (with sg. 3rd) can also be used sometimes. How would you express these meanings...

                   How many times must you forgive your brother?

                   Can you sail if there is no wind?

...where you means anyone, a human being in general, and where generic you is the subject of the sentence which demands to be physically replaced with something? Is it biri or kişi?



Thread: Generic person in Turkish?

3563.       Abla
3648 posts
 24 Jul 2011 Sun 06:15 pm

Which person is used in Turkish to talk about an unspecified person? I mean sentences like

Brushing your/one´s teeth is healthy.



Thread: A Few Sentences, Vol. II

3564.       Abla
3648 posts
 23 Jul 2011 Sat 09:33 pm

Sağ olun, si++. (I don’t mean to bother you with these notes, they are as well for myself.)

1. I understand from your corrections that there is an official language code where edilmelidirler, giymelidirler, kullanmalıdır and olmamalıdırlar belong, but still the verb forms confuse me. –dir represents the verb ‘to be’, isn’t it? Is the verb (which looks very finite) understood as an infinite form when it is used? And futher on, if it is, how come the personal ending –ler comes after it?

2. You stroke my kullanamalar and replaced it with the negative necessitative. Doesn’t –(e)bil-/-(e)me potential have the meaning ‘to be allowed/prohibited’? Sometimes modals expressing ability move straight into varying the truthfulness of the sentence in their historical path to more abstract meanings (and skip the level of manipulation). I mean if olabilir doesn’t mean ‘is allowed to be’ it makes perfect sense.

3. I can’t quite structure the sentence Kadın mayoları üstüyle giy|il|meli|dir. It looks like passive to me (Ladies’ swimsuits / with the top / must be worn.) but if it is one, why doesn’t the predicate correlate with the plural subject?

4. Kırılabilen şişeler veya sabun kutularını havuz alanına getirmeyin. We have discussed this before: bottles and containers in my opinion are indefinite here in their meaning, but you add the accusative ending. I wouldn’t dare do this because I’m producing the sentence on a completely theoretical basis. But when the ending is there it makes the sentence easier to understand. Somehow it puts every modifier in its proper place, especially when the parallel objects are two.  If the object was unmarked there would be five-six nominative nouns lined in the beginning and the clue wouln’t be exposed but in the very end with the predicate verb. I see it like this.



Thread: Listing Nouns

3565.       Abla
3648 posts
 22 Jul 2011 Fri 10:15 pm

Scalpel, good you noticed. It seems that I generalized a very special case where two tense marks were in the same word.

Master or not but you made it clear. (Besides, I´m afraid all the masters are fed up with my endless questions.) Sağ olun.



Thread: Listing Nouns

3566.       Abla
3648 posts
 21 Jul 2011 Thu 05:08 pm

Thanks, MarioninTurkey. So, tense and person are only visible in the last verb of the list.



Thread: A Few Sentences, Vol. II

3567.       Abla
3648 posts
 19 Jul 2011 Tue 02:47 pm

I bagged a small text from my swimming pool wall:

 

Swimming Pool Rules

• These rules are our way of ensuring that all guests have a safe and enjoyable

visit. Please observe all pool rules, personnel instructions, cleanliness and good

manners.

• Guests without swimming skills and children under 10 years of age must be

accompanied by an adult with swimming skills.

• Please take a proper shower before swimming to help us keep the pool water clean.

• The visitors must wear a swimsuit in the swimming pool and in the area nearby the

swimming stadium. The women’s swimsuit must have a top.

• Persons with infectious diseases may not use the pool facilities.

• When swimming in the pool, swim lengthwise. Swimming across the pool can cause

backups.

• Do not jump into the pool from the deck.

• Please observe the water slide rules when using the water slide.

• Please return all water exercise equipment to their proper places when you are

done using them.

• Please do not use swim fins or large swim toys during busy times.

• Guests may not consume alcoholic beverages or be intoxicated while visiting the

swimming pool.

• Please do not eat sweets, chew gum, etc. in the pool area.

• Please put all your trash in the designated trash receptacles.

• Do not bring breakable beverage or soap containers into the pool area.

• It is forbidden to take photographs in the toilets, in the saunas and in the washing

and dressing rooms (Penal Code, Chapter 24 6 §. Photographing is not recommended

in other facilities.

Enjoy your training!

 

Yüzme havuzu kuralları

1. Bu kurallarla tüm konukların ziyareti güvenli ile hoş olmasını temin ederiz. Lütfen yüzme havuzun tüm kuralları, personelin yönetimleri, temizlik ile iyi davranışa uyun.

2. Yüzemeyen konuklar ile 10 yaşından küçük çocuklar, yüzebilen bir yetişkin tarafından eşlik edilmeliler.

3. Havuzun suyunu temiz saklamak için yüzmeden önce bir duş iyici alarak bize yardım edin.

4. Konuklar, havuzda ve yüzme stadyonuna yakın bir mayo giymeliler. Kadın mayosuya bir üst parçası ait olmalı.

5. Bulaşıcı hastalıklar taşıyan kişiler havuzun kolaylığını kullanamalar.

6. Siz havuzda yüzüyorken, uzunlamasına yüzmesiniz şanssızlık sebebi olabilecek.

7. Havuza kenardan atlamayın.

8. Kaydirak kullanıyorken ona dair kurallara uyun.

9. Tüm antrenman donatımını kullandıktan sonra onu asıl yere geri verin.

10. Yoğun zamanda büyük yüzme paletlerini veya oyuncaklarını kullanmayın.

11. Konuklar yüzme havuzuya uğrarken alkol içki içmesinler veya uyuşturmuş olmasınlar.

12. Lütfen şeker, sakız ve benzeri havuz alanında yemeyin.

13.Lütfen tüm çöpünüzü işaretlemiş çöp sepetini koyun.

14. Kırınabilen şişeler veya sabun kutuları havuz alanına getirmeyin.

15. Fotoğraf çekmek tuvaletler, saunalar ile yıkanma ve giyinme odalarında (Ceza kanunları, paragraf 246) yasaktır. Fotoğraf çekmeyi stadyonun başka yerlerinde salık verilmemiştir.

Antrenmanınızdan zevk alın.



Thread: Listing Nouns

3568.       Abla
3648 posts
 18 Jul 2011 Mon 01:49 pm

But suppose the listed nouns demand possessive, plural, case and whatever endings there are. Are they all repeated in every noun?

And besides, what is the difference between ve and ile?



Thread: What is this verb form...

3569.       Abla
3648 posts
 18 Jul 2011 Mon 01:43 pm

Thanks, turkishmaster and Henry. Your examples make it quite clear: what a neat and handy verb form!

I wish I could one day be able to explain something to another learner  -  even if it was a very small thing...

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Thread: Listing Nouns

3570.       Abla
3648 posts
 17 Jul 2011 Sun 10:00 pm

I´m asking about sentences like

I saw Ali´s grandmother, sisters, cousins and cat.

where there are several equivalent nouns listed and connected together with and. I have noticed that in Turkish the numerous endings are saved so that only the last one is case-marked.  I guess the possessive and plural endings are shown in every word, anyway.

How is the rule exactly?



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