Thanks, I will. So the secret meaning is some kind of counter-reality?

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Oh, no, I can´t possibly get such long paradigms into my old head. There must be a way to see the logic in it. But I quess I got a step further with your examples. The conditional is really a tricky problem, probably because it is so tied to the situation. In its tight packaged informativeness it´s sooo Turkish.

What do you do with gelse, when you have geliyorsa, gelirse, gelecekse, geldiyse and gelseydi and corresponding negative forms. What is the secret meaning which all these tense-marked forms cannot express?

Maybe you two are in a bad mood and maybe I shouldn´t put my spoon into this soup but just for fun I had to check one thing:

Bunun üzerine, Allah onu öldürüp yüzyıl ölü bıraktı, sonra diriltti ve ona sordu: "Ne kadar (ölü kaldın?" (Koran 2:259)

Maybe, just maybe, it is a question of text type?

Besides, as everyone can see, cleaning my language doesn´t need very fine equipment, just a big shovel is enough.

With all my respect.

It´s amazing how long one can make the same simple mistakes. (I´ve been slamming my forehead here.) I think I could have avoided many of the morphology handicaps if I gave it another day or two  -  what´s the hurry anyway? If there is a lesson here it is that I shouldn´t ever listen to my ear when I try to create a Turkish sentence, because it works against me all the time.

Today´s notes:

1. The place of the question word seems to be wrong in many of the questions. This concerns especially niye/neden, which in your corrections is regularly thrown to the left, before the main elements of the sentence. Is there a difference between niye and neden? (My ear tells me there is.)

2. ´The top´ is tepe. How do you end up with the form kilisenin en tepseindeki?

3. I understand if it was şeytanın soyadını but why şeytanın soyadı?

4. başka, diğer and ayrı: I always seem to choose the wrong one.

5. This alternative stucture mı yoksa + mı confused me at first but I think I got it now. Nice way to express it.

P.S. Present continuous is overrated!

Many thanks, si++  -  and sorry about the bad language again.

JulitaJ,

sınavına belongs together with the word that preceeds it in the text and together they use a compound noun, for instance Türkçe sınavına ´to the Turkish language test´.

As a sign of these nouns forming a unit sınav takes the third person possessive suffix, which in this case according to vowel harmony and other rules is -ı. The final -a is the marker of dative, meaning movement towards. What is between is the pronominal -n- which is used in third person possessive forms between the modified noun and the case marker.

sınav|ı|n|a = root|possessive suffix sg 3rd|pronominal n|dative ending

Behring Breivik asked for an open trial and for a permission to wear a uniform in front of the judge. Fortunately he was denied all publicity. Part of the reason was that they didn´t want to give the man a chance to bring his sick ideas to light in public. In my opinion, a person who blindly kills innocent people and then tries to rise his voice to explain his point should be hit to his mouth with a rifle back.

Societies like those in Scandinavia are vulnerable against this kind of attacks. The Internet gives people a possibility to be in contact in a way never seen before. Unfortunately it unites maniacs, too. We had two school shootings in Finland within two years, and these boys are said to have found their inspiration in violence and misanthropy related sites.

What is worrying is the change of atmosphere which has happened in Europen countries. A few years ago racist talk was a sure way to show one´s lack of culture. Nowadays these "immigration critics" are considered respectable citizens and even educated people are accompanying them at least silently. Maybe what happened in Norway will open some eyes. If it was an al-Qaida attack there would be a hell loose here.

It looks so simple when you know it. Thank you, tomac and scalpel! I´m fond of complicated sentences.

This is one of the days when I need to check sg 2nd personal ending three times before I can trust myself, but I tried to practice some questions anyway. Surprisingly I noticed the word order in questions is not always clear to me.

1. How many times is it allowed to drive around the traffic circle?

Kaç defa göbeğin etrafından dolaşabilirsin?

2. What should I do when the navigator tells me to drive into someone’s yard?

Navigasyon birinin özel avlusuya sürmeye öğüt verirken ne yapmalıyım?

3. Why don’t all fish die when lightning hits the sea?

Yıldırım denize vurduğunda tüm balık niye ölmer?

4. How much does the sky weigh?

Göğün ağırlısı ne kadardır?

5. Why aren’t birds electrocuted on wires?

Telin üstündeki kuşlar elektrikle niye öldürülmez?

6. Why did God let my kitten die?

Allah kedimi niye öldürdü?

7. What is the connection between dragons and dinosaurs?

Ejderha ve dinozor arasında ilişkisi nedir?

8. What is Satan´s last name?

Șeitanın soyadısı nedir?

9. How far east can you go before you´re heading west?

Batıya doğru yöneltmeden önce ne kadar doğuya gidebilersin?

10. If ghosts can walk through walls why don´t they fall through the floor?

Ruhlar duvarların içinden gidebilerse, taşan içinden niye düşmez?

11. If a doctor suddenly had a heart attack while doing surgery, would the other doctors work on the doctor or the patient?

Bir doktor operatörlük ediyorken ansızın bir kalp krizi alırsa, başka doktorlar doktorun mu veya hastanın lehine çalışırlar?

12. Can a short person "look down" to a taller person?

Kısa bir kişi daha uzun bir kişiye yukarıdan bakabiliyor mu?

13. Do prison buses have emergency exits?

Hapishane otobuslarının acil durum çikişinleri var mı?

14. Why do people never say "it´s only a game" when they´re winning?

İnsanlar kazanıyorken hiç  -  O yalnız eğlence  -  niye demezler?

15. Do you wake up or open your eyes first?

İlk uyanar mısın veya gözlerini açar?

16. Do the security guards at airports have to go through airport security when they get to work?

Havaalanılardaki nöbetçiler, işe gelirken güvenlik aramasının içinden gitmeli mi?

17. Why is it that no matter what color bubble bath you use the bubbles are always white?

Kullandığınız sıvı sabunun renki ne olursa olsun kabarcıklar daima neden beyaz olacak?
18. Why do superheros wear their underwear on the outside of their clothes?

Süper kahramanlar, iç çamaşırıları elbisenin üstüne neden giyerler?

19. Can you cry under water?

Suyun altında ağlabiler misin?

20. Why Does Pluto Live in a dog house, eat dog food, etc. but Goofy, who is also a dog, lives in a condo and drives a car?

Pluto neden köpek kulubeside yaşıyor, köpek yemeği yiyor v.b., ama Gufi, bir de köpek, dairede yaşıyor ve arabayla sürüyor?

21. Why doesn´t Winnie the Pooh ever get stung by the bees he messes with?

Winnie-the-Pooh, arılarla alay etmesine rağmen, hiç onların tarafından neden soğulmaz?

22. How old are you before it can be said you died of old age?

Yaşlanarak ölmüşsün söylenebilmek için kaç yaşındasın?

23. Doesn´t a lightning rod on top of church show a lack of faith?

Kilisenin en tepedeki bir yıldırımsavar imanın eksikliği mi göstermiyor?

24. If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?

Başaramamaya çalışıyorken başarsan, ne yaptın?

25. Where can you find snow at the equator?

Kar ekvatorda nerede bulunuyor?

I was trying to practice questions but got stuck in a couple of them. They are just too difficult for me. Still I’d like to see them translated because I put some effort of them and now I feel irritated.

How important does a person have to be before he is considered assassinated instead of just murdered?

Why does someone believe you when you say there are four billion stars, but check when you say the paint is wet?