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220.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 10:04 pm

Quoting peace train:

The Monarchy here in the UK is the Head of the Church of England and is known as The Defender of the Faith. It may interest people to know that the heir to the throne, Prince Charles has expressed his wish to be known as The Defender of the Faiths, when (and if) he becomes King. I think (it was a while ago when I saw the report), the Faiths he had in mind were Christianity, Islam and Judaism . . . . I don't know what the Sikhs, Hindus and Buddhists in the Uk will make of this . . .



He has many years to think about what faiths he wants to defend. His mother seems reluctant to step down.

221.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 10:09 pm

Quoting peace train:

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting KeithL:

if you don't hear Muslims denouncing Al-Queda then you aren't listening hard enough.



No, I haven't heard a pouring outcry...sorry. Maybe you have been in Turkey too long.




In fairness to you, not many muslim TV stations or newspapers in Ohio...



A couple of minutes on a search engine and there is a great deal of information out there.

http://www.heartsandminds.org/mideast/muslims.htm

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/AlQaida-losing-support-among-Muslims/270641/

http://www.reformislam.org/

http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2008/02/20/muslims-who-renounce-violence/

Muslims against domestic violence
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/7368/muslimdv_sign.htm

http://imamjohari.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/muslims-working-against-domestic-violence/




Wow so many..not sure were to start. lol And KeithL, I didn't realize Minnesota had so many either..

222.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 10:12 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting peace train:

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting KeithL:

if you don't hear Muslims denouncing Al-Queda then you aren't listening hard enough.



No, I haven't heard a pouring outcry...sorry. Maybe you have been in Turkey too long.




In fairness to you, not many muslim TV stations or newspapers in Ohio...



A couple of minutes on a search engine and there is a great deal of information out there.

http://www.heartsandminds.org/mideast/muslims.htm

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/AlQaida-losing-support-among-Muslims/270641/

http://www.reformislam.org/

http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2008/02/20/muslims-who-renounce-violence/

Muslims against domestic violence
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/7368/muslimdv_sign.htm

http://imamjohari.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/muslims-working-against-domestic-violence/




Wow so many..not sure were to start. lol And KeithL, I didn't realize Minnesota had so many either..



Tip of the iceberg

223.       teaschip
3870 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 10:12 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Alameda....I think that is the longest post EVER!! Good quotes though.



No surprise.... lol

224.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 12:32 am

225.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 12:51 am

Canlı, may I ask what you think of Egypts reject of Dutch and Danish participation on Cairo International Film Festival for Children? Denmark got rejected because of their cartoons, and the Netherlands for a film that has nothing to do with this festival and hasnt even been published yet. I found this article on the internet, quoting what an Egypt spokesman said about the situation in the Netherlands. I made the parts bold which I think are very superficial for Dutch society and politics, and in which this Hossam Zaki creates a wrong image of the Netherlands in your ocuntry. It is a shame to your democracy that our childrenfilm got rejected, based on such weak arguments.



February 23, 2008
Egypt 'monitoring attacks on Islam ahead of Dutch TV film'
It is noteworthy that Egypt is monitoring this situation very closely, but we have never heard of the Egyptian Foreign Ministry monitoring, closely or otherwise, any of the acts of violence committed in the name of Islam, which have led to this film's being made in the first place. From AFP (thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist):

CAIRO (AFP) — Egypt on Friday deplored what it called gratuitous attacks on Islam and said it was closely monitoring plans by a Dutch filmmaker to release an anti-Koran film.
"It is regrettable that European lawmakers and politicians use gratuitous methods to gain electoral votes by attacking the sacred values and religions of others," foreign ministry spokesman Hossam Zaki said in a statement.

Dutch far-right deputy Geert Wilders has said he will be airing on television in the Netherlands in March a controversial anti-Islam film called "Fitna" (Ordeal), which accuses the Koran of inciting people to murder.

Such politicians, Zaki said in reference to Wilders, "focus their hatred on Islam" and plan to broadcast a film undermining Islamic symbols.

These acts "feed hatred against Muslims and encourage extremism and confrontation instead of opting for dialogue based on mutual respect," Zaki said.

Egypt is monitoring the situation "very closely," he added, but also noted the "comprehension" of the Dutch authorities over Cairo's concerns....

226.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 12:58 am

Another thing I would like to add: I think Wilders is a dangerous man for society. All those in the Dutch streets who demonstrate with 'cigarrette packs with his head on it, saying Brings severe damage to society', they be praised! It is true that he has a hatred for Islam and that he does not improve dialogue in our country, which we need so much. But it goes too far that other countries reject cultural participation based on the film of ONE person. There are more people in our society against him than backing him. But still Egypt chooses to reject the Dutch entry. It makes me feel like they see us as the bad-west. And then there is AlQaida threatening to harm our soldiers in Afganistan if we broadcast it. These are just two examples of Middle Eastern (muslim) rejection, based on religion. How can you tell me you (general) open for discussion if your government doesnt back you up?

I am not anymore against Islam than I am against any other religion, they may be good in personal life, and in family life. But when we look at the bigger picture, I can see only harm come from them.

I dont not wish to offend anyones feelings, (as I said on family level there doesnt seem to be anything wrong with religion..), I am just speaking the mind of a citizen of a Dutch country that feels that the freedom of speech and thought is going further and further away from this country. And I am genuinely sad aboutt hat.

227.       catwoman
8933 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 01:00 am

DK, when I read the parts you highlighted in your article, these quotes come to my mind...

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.

The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed.

228.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 01:08 am

Quoting catwoman:

DK, when I read the parts you highlighted in your article, these quotes of Hitler come to my mind...

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.

The greater the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed.



The thing is, I really believe that Wilders is a danger to society. I wouldnt want to compare him to Hitler, but they could definitely be cousins or smt..

My point is, by these superficial statements, without telling the situtaion in the Netherlands etc, you make it sound like Wilders has a big party behind him and that a big part of Dutch society is against Islam.

I would love if Wilders would finally get out of Dutch politics, but I will never be of the group who says that the film should be forbidden. Unfortuantely, I think broadcasting it will have very bad effects for our international relationships in the Middle East.

229.       catwoman
8933 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 01:21 am

I didn't compare Wilders to Hitler!!! I didn't compare anybody to Hitler, I just like the quotes!!! They are so true and used everywhere. I actually thought that statements like "west hates islam" is a bunch of bologne... a big lie that's repeated so often that even westerners begin to believe it...

230.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 05 Mar 2008 Wed 01:27 am

Nooo I know! I didnt mean it like that! I just meant to tell you that the significance of the quotes shows his danger to humanity if you ask me



Quoting catwoman:

I didn't compare Wilders to Hitler!!! I didn't compare anybody to Hitler, I just like the quotes!!! They are so true and used everywhere. I actually thought that statements like "west hates islam" is a bunch of bologne... a big lie that's repeated so often that even westerners begin to believe it...

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