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300.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 02:45 pm

PT, it's not the forum's fault but the link's fault. Click on the alternative link Rosie gave before posting the cartoon. It is dead. Maybe there are some maintenance work on that server, or the site no longer exists. Admins didn't censor the cartoon

301.       libralady
5152 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 02:50 pm

Quoting lady in red:

Quoting libralady:

Well I think I need a lie down now after reading all this! Hope you are all at peace with one another now that you have gone thorugh therapy in such a deep and meaningful fashion! 26 pages from one poem - Handsom you win the Golden Globe for the longest thread in March lol



Haha! I've been offline for 4 days and just finished reading my way throught the entire thread!! War and Peace anyone?



War and peace it is!

302.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 06 Mar 2008 Thu 02:59 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

PT, it's not the forum's fault but the link's fault. Click on the alternative link Rosie gave before posting the cartoon. It is dead. Maybe there are some maintenance work on that server, or the site no longer exists. Admins didn't censor the cartoon



Oops . . . I told you before I am a technopleb.

Sorry admin

(See Peace Train slip silently into the corner, chin on chest)

303.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 04:17 pm

Canlı, where did you get the idea that I am christian? I do not ask you to respect the Holy Bible, because I am just as non-Muslim as I am non-Christian. I dont follow any religion, and now that I am reading the holy books I have found for myself that I have made the right decision in that.

Anyway, sorry that I misunderstood you about the personal thing. Apology accepted

304.       janissary
0 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 04:27 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Canlı, where did you get the idea that I am christian? I do not ask you to respect the Holy Bible, because I am just as non-Muslim as I am non-Christian. I dont follow any religion, and now that I am reading the holy books I have found for myself that I have made the right decision in that.

Anyway, sorry that I misunderstood you about the personal thing. Apology accepted



do you believe in UFOs? have u ever read about "Cübbeli Ahmet Hoca"??? he is my favourite.

btw, how did u come to this subject from Erotizma? I couldnt follow after "handsom, masturbation and dinner time" thing lol

305.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 04:39 pm

Peacetrain, just some notes

1. Nice to meet you too You seem to know my motives and personality very well, yet we have never really spoken!
2. My question to Canlı was genuine. It was not emotionless, but I never meant it provocative, so I hope that Canlı will read this too. I just wanted to know how she felt about it and maybe she could tell me some reasons for rejection that I havent thought about.
3. We are all aware of the fact that religious and political discussions are not allowed. However, we are also all aware of thef act that they just emerge and we all take part in it. Threads dont get closed down untill some members are really offended, disrespected or rude and respectless themselves.
4. Never meant to be respectless, but have to say I dont agree that I actually was.


DK

306.       CANLI
5084 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 09:04 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Canlı, where did you get the idea that I am christian?



Actually,i didnt,i was talking generally,not personally,and when i addressed you personally,i used ''your holly book'' because i didnt know which is yours

Quoting CANLI:

he should offer same to your holly book too



İf you have one or not ,either way you surely deserve people to respect your choice of believing .

Quoting Deli_kizin:



2. My question to Canlı was genuine. It was not emotionless, but I never meant it provocative, so I hope that Canlı will read this too. I just wanted to know how she felt about it and maybe she could tell me some reasons for rejection that I havent thought about.

DK



Much clearer now

307.       alameda
3499 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 10:11 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

I don't know about you, but I got bored with going through the same thing over and over again.



Yes, it's getting very tedious.

Quoting Daydreamer:

.............. Still, I am willing to take your date as true for the sake of this argument. 1951 is almost 60 years ago - that's over two generations back. Not that I'm defending Christianity - I rejected it years ago.



Well Daydreamer, that is really a matter of opinion. May I point out that to trivialize the fact that Witchcraft persecutions ended 60 years ago ignores the fact that is still in LIVING memory. IOW those who lived through that are still alive and making their contribution to world events, based on their experience. .....and they have been doing so for the last 60 years. Think about that. May I add to that the fact there are still some rather odd people in positions of power who have some strange ideas like: John Hagee who heads the leading Christian Zionist organization, Christians United for Israel (CUFI). and has just endorsed Presidential candidate John McCain.

McCain's Very Own Farrakhan

for more on just who John Hagee is:

John Hagee

Quoting Daydreamer:

US delegation in USSR during the years of communism. They ask their hosts how is it that people are devoid of their rights, have nothing to eat, shops are empty, people get sent to gulags (camps) in Siberia for telling jokes and still the people don't rebel against it. In reply the USSR official says "And you beat black people in USA" (I didn't say it was a particularly funny one )



...and some justified that as the result blacks suffering from the curse of Ham and thus claimed they deserved to be treated badly....sigh..

Quoting Daydreamer:

Oh, and thanks for the sites you typed. But I am not THAT interested in Islam. I went through it back in the days when I was trying to see if only Catholicism is not for me. I discovered that if I were to choose a religion Islam would be my last choice. But that is my personal opinion.



Choose a religion of none, I am not offering an opinion on your spiritual choice, however I don't feel it's appropriate to belittle and demean others choices. I have not seen any Muslims here proselytizing, but I have seen a lot of anti Islamic rhetoric.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Anyway, I wrote the initial post only because some members were whining that only atheists and free-thinkers were welcome to this site, which I reckon not true.



It was I who made that post based on an analysis of posts here. Calling my comment a whine is an attempt to trivialize and dismiss an observation. All one has to do is go through the endless posts on the matter, do a statistical analysis and that see the result.

I think we are both actually in agreement, I don't want religion or forced on me, and you don't want it forced on you. One's spiritual choices are deeply personal and must be freely made, if they are to be valid. I posted the links so as to enable anyone who actually wants those type of discussions to find an appropriate outlet.

What I do object to is any type religious bullying. The world has had enough of that. Looking at your profile and your relationship with Ireland (with it's Catholic/Protestant issues) you must be aware of these issues.

Religious Bullying

308.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 10:20 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Peacetrain, just some notes

1. Nice to meet you too You seem to know my motives and personality very well, yet we have never really spoken!
2. My question to Canlı was genuine. It was not emotionless, but I never meant it provocative, so I hope that Canlı will read this too. I just wanted to know how she felt about it and maybe she could tell me some reasons for rejection that I havent thought about.
3. We are all aware of the fact that religious and political discussions are not allowed. However, we are also all aware of thef act that they just emerge and we all take part in it. Threads dont get closed down untill some members are really offended, disrespected or rude and respectless themselves.
4. Never meant to be respectless, but have to say I dont agree that I actually was.


DK



DK, Just some notes on your notes

1. P
The pleasure's all yours There's so much of what has seemed like subtle engineering of debates been going on in the past . . . I easily get suspicious of people's motives

2. see No. 1 but I'll trust you on that one, as I've never met you before

3. Yeah , I know. Quite a few people on this site, from all different religious and political backgrounds have said how they're fed up of covering the same ground. I really do think we should all agree to take it upon ourselves to step in if we see something heating up. I already suggested we can shout "fluffy bunnies" or "turkish delight"

4. See 2.

Take care

PT

309.       adonis
0 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 10:32 pm

I wanna give a surah from Quran for not-believers and the people who always have prejudices about Islam and insult it.

Those Who Reject Faith (Al-Káfirün)

This chapter has 6 verses.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

1. Say : O ye that reject Faith!

2. I worship not that which ye worship,

3. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

4. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,

5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

6. To you be your Way, and to me mine

310.       catwoman
8933 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 12:49 am

practice what you preach....!!!! or practice instead of preaching!!!

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