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The Issue of the Veil
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23 Jul 2008 Wed 06:56 pm |
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Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:
Ask Meltem if she is a real muslim because she does not cover herself?  |
No, why ask me?  Don´t get me into this whole thing please. It has been a long time I do not interfer with this issue.
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23 Jul 2008 Wed 06:56 pm |
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Ohhhhh,oppsss,i forgot,they are ALL forced  lol
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23 Jul 2008 Wed 07:01 pm |
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Offffffffffffffffffffff do you never get tired of arguing about the same over and over?!!! 
headscarf is not an order in islam! it was what arab women used to wear when quran sent to human.it was fashionable!!! if quran was sent to england , the same verse would be as " tell women to cover their bosoms with their dresses" or somethng like that. you shoud not ignore circumstances of 6 th century when you make such certain comments!
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23 Jul 2008 Wed 07:03 pm |
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Quoting ciko: Offffffffffffffffffffff do you never get tired of arguing about the same over and over?!!!
headscarf is not an order in islam! it was what arab women used to wear when quran sent to human.it was fashionable!!! if quran was sent to england , the same verse would be as " tell women to cover their bosoms with their dresses" or somethng like that. you shoud not ignore circumstances of 6 th century when you make such certain comments! |
Complete true 
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23 Jul 2008 Wed 07:04 pm |
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Quoting ciko: Offffffffffffffffffffff do you never get tired of arguing about the same over and over?!!!
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İ did actually,thats why i wont reply to this lol
Quoting ciko:
it was what arab women used to wear when quran sent to human.it was fashionable!!! |
But,ehhmmmm,they did not
http://www.kabirs.com.pk/shahi20a/islam.html
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23 Jul 2008 Wed 07:13 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: we can understand you totally that you defending woman rights and you against to all sort pressures to women dear cat,but pls try to look at this topic as a woman right to,even a few women using it with their free will??? |
MrX, you are not reading my posts, or you don´t understand them. 
I respect ALL women´s choices of how they want to live their lives and how they want to dress. Whether it´s a hijab or a mini skirt, or anything on earth. It should be a personal choice ONLY. I respect all women´s decision to wear a hijab or even burka, whether these women are intimidated into it or not. These women are not what is the problem here at all.
I see a problem with two things:
1. not all women are completely "free" to put on a hijab and to take it off when they want. In some communities there are severe consequences of taking it off!!! That is not freedom of wearing what you want!!! If a woman is raped because she didn´t wear a burka, there is something horribly wrong with the society, don´t you think? And it gets even worse when the woman is then blamed for being raped!!!!!!! How can I get this point across to you MrX???? Please tell me!
2. the other problem is with the ´reasons´ for covering women. I understand that it is a religious belief, a sign of modesty... and that is ok. But when you start saying that the reason is that men are lower animals who have no moral boundaries and they can rape a woman like dogs and that this sort of behavior is acceptable --- and therefore women need to live in fear and separation to not get in the way of these predators, I or many others cannot accept that and we will continue to argue with you about this, because this kind of twisted mentality is not acceptable. And if you change your mentality, maybe Muslim women can finally gain some freedom and power over their own lives at least!
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23 Jul 2008 Wed 07:17 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting ciko: Offffffffffffffffffffff do you never get tired of arguing about the same over and over?!!!
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İ did actually,thats why i wont reply to this lol
Quoting ciko:
it was what arab women used to wear when quran sent to human.it was fashionable!!! |
But,ehhmmmm,they did not
http://www.kabirs.com.pk/shahi20a/islam.html |
you can find thousands of link if you want to believe it canli. i respect you but i am really really sad because such a beautiful religion is under such stupid and bigot people´s control
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23 Jul 2008 Wed 07:27 pm |
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Well,ciko,i guess you mean by stupid and bigot people those who tend to control people choices by using the religion and people´s ignorance in a manipulative way.
İ dont actually need to find links or post it ciko because it actually in The Book,i did it so we can have some understanding between us
You will see that Arab women didnt use to wear hijab,they actually were wearing a veil over their hair,and letting their hair loosen and showing off their chests
Even if its as you said something for Arab women,can you tell me why Turkish women are wearing it ?
Why Muslim women in Malaysia,in Indonesia are wearing it ?
Why some Western women who convert to İslam are wear it ?!
İt doesnt make sense ,does it ?
There is something that gather those women to do same thing in different places of the world yes ?
Unless it was written in the book and all those women read it too.
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23 Jul 2008 Wed 07:31 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: Actually catwoman, men have two heads  One they have some control over, the other they have very minimal control over. |
Quoting catwoman: [ I find this to be very sexist and offensive. It implies that men are less then human in some way, that they have some primitive animal reflexes completely beyond their control. |
catwoman, weather you like it or not, we ALL have primitive animal reflexes that are beyond our control. I thought you studied this? My observation in no way implies men are "less then human" in anyway, It does recognize what human is. It does include basic animal responses....
" Erection and ejaculation are physiological responses that may result from mere physical contact or even extreme stress."
Male Rape
Quoting catwoman: It is a very crude idea - not very sophisticated, completely lacking any knowledge of human behavioral patterns and completely false on a factual level. Alameda, even Neanderthals were more dependent on learning then on instinctual, reflexive reactions. Almost all grown up men will even argue against this and many will find it offensive. |
I stand by my statement as a scientific fact....like it or not....unfortunately, life and being human includes some things we don´t like. The denial of the reality does not help the situation in any way.
Quoting catwoman: Not only there are individual examples of men who prove you wrong but also of social groups, and even cultures. I don´t even want to get into this, because it feels like proving the law of gravity. |
Yes, there are some groups that put a great amount of effort and training into the control of these functions, but it is by no means the norm. One nice example of how this function is controlled are the Catholic Priests who were caught in sex scandals...hmmm
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23 Jul 2008 Wed 07:32 pm |
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Quoting alameda: One nice example of how this function is controlled are the Catholic Priests who were caught in sex scandals...hmmm
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This only proves what a farce all religion is! I have this kind of "tit for tat" argument
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23 Jul 2008 Wed 07:33 pm |
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Quoting CANLI:
Even if its as you said something for Arab women,can you tell me why Turkish women are wearing it ?
Why Muslim women in Malisya,in İndonisia is wearing it ?
Why some Western women who convert to İslam wear it ?!
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i really dont understand why they wear it.. i respect them of course.. but really i find it ridicilous to determine the way you wear on what men feel or think about your appearance! it is about womens right, it is about human rights. you dont want to understand.
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