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The Issue of the Veil
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 04:23 am |
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Quoting silversong:
Sorry I´m not picking on you its just your are willing to discuss this subject with me and for that I thank you
I understand that your are free to make this choice and you do so in the name of Allah
I have no religious beliefs so this concept is totally alien to me, as are most religious practices from all faiths
but my main problem with this idea, and I mentioned it in a previous post, is why have women been instructed to cover their modesty while men have no such burden put upon them, where is the equality
I guess if I were to subscribe to any religion it would nerd to be one where men and women were treated equally
thanks again for your time and patience
as I said before, just another point of view on the subject |
Mmmmmmm,you´re just being so nice that you are pulling me to such debat  lol
Actually i dont mind 
Specially that we didnt have such debat together before,if we did,talked at same topic from same concept,then more likely i wont hop into it again.
İ saw your previous post and i just thought it will be replied so i didnt reply it
Who says that men arent ordered to cover also ?
They are ordered to cover from waist till knees
And its a plain order too.
And who said the burden all is upon women ?
Men ORDERED to lower their gaze also,and women also ordered same.
So we both dressed modest,and also we both ordered to lower our gaze
Quoting silversong:
Would it not be better to advise men to treat women with dignity and respect rather than put the burden of some mens thoughts buy asking women to cover their beauty
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And there are many verses in Qur´an too where men ordered to treat women gently
Quoting silversong:
are men incapable of taking resposibility for their own actions in the eyes of Islam
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Ehhhmmmm,my dear friend,men are incapable of taking resposibility for their own actions in the eyes of EVERYONE 
No offence guys  
Ps: i will pm you an article about it,i just found
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 04:37 am |
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Quoting CANLI: My dear friend,men are incapable of taking resposibility for their own actions in the eyes of EVERYONE |
Actually, if you treat people like children, they will behave like ones. And, when it´s convenient men argue that they have superior skills and mental abilities, there´s no reason to assume that they are lower species to women. And if, in some bizarre world, that would be the case, it would still be unacceptable that women are suffering because of men´s lower mental level, don´t you think?
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 04:39 am |
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Quoting CANLI:
Quoting silversong:
Sorry I´m not picking on you its just your are willing to discuss this subject with me and for that I thank you
I understand that your are free to make this choice and you do so in the name of Allah
I have no religious beliefs so this concept is totally alien to me, as are most religious practices from all faiths
but my main problem with this idea, and I mentioned it in a previous post, is why have women been instructed to cover their modesty while men have no such burden put upon them, where is the equality
I guess if I were to subscribe to any religion it would nerd to be one where men and women were treated equally
thanks again for your time and patience
as I said before, just another point of view on the subject |
Mmmmmmm,you´re just being so nice that you are pulling me to such debat lol
Actually i dont mind
Specially that we didnt have such debat together before,if we did,talked at
same topic from same concept,then more likely i wont hop into it again.
İ saw your previous post and i just thought it will be replied so i didnt reply it
Who says that men arent ordered to cover also ?
They are ordered to cover from waist till knees
And its a plain order too.
And who said the burden all is upon women ?
Men ORDERED to lower their gaze also,and women also ordered same.
So we both dressed modest,and also we both ordered to lower our gaze
Quoting silversong:
Would it not be better to advise men to treat women with dignity and respect rather than put the burden of some mens thoughts buy asking women to
cover their beauty
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And there are many verses in Qur´an too where men ordered to treat women gently
Quoting silversong:
are men incapable of taking resposibility for their own actions in the eyes of
Islam
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My dear friend,men are incapable of taking resposibility for their own actions in the eyes of EVERYONE
No offence guys
Ps: i will pm you a nice article about it,i just found |
Thank you I got your pm
and as soon as I get my email to work I will send you a pm and give you my thoughts
that´s if you dont get to your ignore button first 
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 04:42 am |
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ohh and it will modify my other post before I get in trouble
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 04:43 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting CANLI: My dear friend,men are incapable of taking resposibility for their own actions in the eyes of EVERYONE |
Actually, if you treat people like children, they will behave like ones. And, when it´s convenient men argue that they have superior skills and mental abilities, there´s no reason to assume that they are lower species to women. And if, in some bizarre world, that would be the case, it would still be unacceptable that women are suffering because of men´s lower mental level, don´t you think? |
Well cat,actually that was a joke,and i thought its obvious too
Some men have superior skills and mental abilities,and some are just like childrent too
So same as with women
So as ALLAH ordered men to lower their gaze,ordered men too
And same as HE ordered women to cover ,ordered men too,so i believe they were treated equally here.
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 04:45 am |
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Quoting silversong:
Thank you I got your pm
and as soon as I get my email to work I will send you a pm and give you my thoughts
that´s if you dont get to your ignore button first |
No worries,i have patience for respectable serious debats
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 04:47 am |
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Quoting silversong: ohh and it will modify my other post before I get in trouble |
Ehhhmmmmm
Ps:i got the final word here lol
Quoting silversong: did I tell you I like to get the last word
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 04:52 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting silversong: ohh and it will modify my other post before I get in trouble |
Ehhhmmmmm
Ps:i got the final word here lol
Quoting silversong: did I tell you I like to get the last word
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night honi
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 08:17 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting CANLI: My dear friend,men are incapable of taking resposibility for their own actions in the eyes of EVERYONE |
Actually, if you treat people like children, they will behave like ones. And, when it´s convenient men argue that they have superior skills and mental abilities, there´s no reason to assume that they are lower species to women. And if, in some bizarre world, that would be the case, it would still be unacceptable that women are suffering because of men´s lower mental level, don´t you think? |
Actually catwoman, men have two heads  One they have some control over, the other they have very minimal control over.
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 10:15 pm |
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some of women like to covering very lil bit (doesn´t covering),and some of em prefer to more,isn´t it?which one of em can say nooooooooo don´t do that unless theresn´t any out pressure
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23 Jul 2008 Wed 12:39 am |
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Actually what I find most annoying about the whole veil thing is that people make such an issue about it. What is the big deal. Why speculate on it?
The Western missionaries went to the Pacific Islands and covered all the natives up in neck to ankle MuuMus. Now the same Westerners (metaphorically speaking) want to remove the veil from Eastern women.
Argh....get over it and let people be.
"The missionaries and Hawaiians had different motives for covering the body. The main motive of the missionaries was to cover nakedness and uphold the western social conventions of modesty and propriety. According to the missionaries, the Hawaiians used clothing primarily to display status, "rather than as a covering for their deformity" (Missionary Herald, 1832:222). While covering nakedness was essential to the missionaries, Hawaiians considered dress to be optional, depending on rank and the social occasion (Missionary Herald, 1832; Thurston, 1882). "
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