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The Issue of the Veil
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 10:52 pm |
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Quoting silversong:
Or maybe women will always carry the burden of men  |
Absolutely! As far as I have observed, the same excuse is given for women wearing a burka as for female circumcision - that is to prevent MEN from being jealous.
Both the burka and female circumcision have nothing to do with the Quran and everything to do with very outdated customs in particular countries which later became muslim.
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 10:55 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth:
Sorry, still confused....because I don´t consider my face or hair an ornament but yet some muslim women wear burkas. I just find it strange. On the other hand, if this is how a woman chooses to dress, I believe it is her right. However, I have spent some time in some muslim countries and I was not given the choice. I was told I must wear a burka or the religious police could arrest me. So, my "choice" was...wear it and everything will be fine OR don´t wear it and be arrested. Somehow, I don´t see this as freedom of choice. I don´t mean to be disrespectful, but you have to admit that the inability for muslims to even decide between no veil/veil/burka makes you all look a little...indecisive to say the least. |
Now you are talking about 2 different things
İn İslam it is as zizo said,only hijab is an order from ALLAH
Where you cover your hair,your arms and body,face and hands,foot not covered
The other thing is in some countries,its political thing,its their system,and they dont have the right to force it.
Even in İslam,it says no where that it is forced upon women by anyone´s power ´governmet,parents,husbands,nor even imam´
So they dont have the right to do that by no mean
So actually they SHOULD have the ability to decide what they want
And they have only ALLAH to judge them
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 10:59 pm |
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Quoting CANLI:
Now you are talking about 2 different things
İn İslam it is as zizo said,only hijab is an order from ALLAH
Where you cover your hair,your arms and body,face and hands,foot not covered
The other thing is in some countries,its political thing,its their system,and they dont have the right to force it.
Even in İslam,it says no where that it is forced upon women by anyone´s power ´governmet,parents,husbands,nor even imam´
So they dont have the right to do that by no mean
So actually they SHOULD have the ability to decide what they want
And they have only ALLAH to judge them |
This is all very nice in a perfect world - but this is not a perfect world and women ARE forced. Also... hijab is "order from Allah"???? I never found anywhere in the Quran where this is stated.
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 11:03 pm |
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Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:
This is all very nice in a perfect world - but this is not a perfect world and women ARE forced. Also... hijab is "order from Allah"???? I never found anywhere in the Quran where this is stated. |
Well,i agree we are not in a perfect world and women forced in SOME countries
İt is in Quran this stated hijab is ´order from ALLAH´ we found and zizoo has posted them
Also,we have been to same debat before even Trudy was with us,havent we ? 
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 11:10 pm |
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Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: Quoting CANLI:
Now you are talking about 2 different things
İn İslam it is as zizo said,only hijab is an order from ALLAH
Where you cover your hair,your arms and body,face and hands,foot not covered
The other thing is in some countries,its political thing,its their system,and they dont have the right to force it.
Even in İslam,it says no where that it is forced upon women by anyone´s power ´governmet,parents,husbands,nor even imam´
So they dont have the right to do that by no mean
So actually they SHOULD have the ability to decide what they want
And they have only ALLAH to judge them |
This is all very nice in a perfect world - but this is not a perfect world and women ARE forced. Also... hijab is "order from Allah"???? I never found
anywhere in the Quran where this is stated. |
I dont know you, and I can´t pretend to understand your beliefs
But I want to ask you about freedom of choice
Say you are married and have a daughter, you and/or your husband decided that it is right when your daughter reaches a certain age she should cover her modesty in accordance with the teachings of Islam
she rejects this
do you respect her freedom of choice, and would her decision affect your impression of her and ultimatiely your love for her
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 11:15 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:
This is all very nice in a perfect world - but this is not a perfect world and women ARE forced. Also... hijab is "order from Allah"???? I never found anywhere in the Quran where this is stated. |
Well,i agree we are not in a perfect world and women forced in SOME countries
İt is in Quran this stated hijab is ´order from ALLAH´ we found and zizoo has posted them
Also,we have been to same debat before even Trudy was with us,havent we ? |
As always Canli, you are very patient to explain your views and your religion. It is, indeed not a perfect world and believe it or not, there is no perfect belief system. They are all flawed by the thoughts and deeds of humans. Perhaps that is why so many people do not want to belong to organized religions or just simply don´t believe in God...I admire your faith.
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 11:18 pm |
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Quoting silversong:
I dont know you, and I can´t pretend to understand your beliefs
But I want to ask you about freedom of choice
Say you are married and have a daughter, you and/or your husband decided that it is right when your daughter reaches a certain age she should cover her modesty in accordance with the teachings of Islam
she rejects this
do you respect her freedom of choice, and would her decision affect your impression of her and ultimatiely your love for her |
İ will make it even better to you,
When i reached that age,my parents didnt even bring that up
Then when i grow up more,after i´ve finished Uni,i decided to wear my hijab
My parents were against it,and asked me to take a time to think and rethink about it before i do it
İ did,and i wear it,i have put it on.
İt was totally my choice
So yes,if i have a daughter,and when she reaches that age,i will advice her to wear it,because its an order from ALLAH
İf she reject,then its her choice infront of ALLAH,i would have made my duty and adviced her,the rest is up to her.
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 11:27 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth:
As always Canli, you are very patient to explain your views and your religion. It is, indeed not a perfect world and believe it or not, there is no perfect belief system. They are all flawed by the thoughts and deeds of humans. Perhaps that is why so many people do not want to belong to organized religions or just simply don´t believe in God...I admire your faith. |
Thank you Elisabeth 
Actually,i think the problem is in us,not in the religions
İn the way we aply,and sometimes use them in some cases
Religions all coming from God,so as i said before,i think there are more similarity than differences between them.
People just taking the easy way,and stop believing ´my thoughts´
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 11:34 pm |
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Quoting silversong:
I dont usually get involved in this kind of discussion, because I think women should wear what they wish if it is their free choice
but I am trying hard to understand another point of view
I dont understand why it is women who have to cover their beauty and modesty
is this to prevent indecent thoughts and actions by men
why is this the women responsibility, are men incapable of taking resposibility for their own actions in the eyes of Islam
Would it not be better to advise men to treat women with dignity and respect rather than put the burden of some mens thoughts buy asking women to cover their beauty
Just another point of view
Or maybe women will always carry the burden of men  |
Of course women are free to wear whatever they want, but they also have the right to submit to orders of Allah.
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 11:37 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting silversong:
I dont know you, and I can´t pretend to understand your beliefs
But I want to ask you about freedom of choice
Say you are married and have a daughter, you and/or your husband decided that it is right when your daughter reaches a certain age she should cover her modesty in accordance with the teachings of Islam
she rejects this
do you respect her freedom of choice, and would her decision affect your impression of her and ultimatiely your love for her |
İ will make it even better to you,
When i reached that age,my parents didnt even bring that up
Then when i grow up more,after i´ve finished Uni,i decided to wear my hijab
My parents were against it,and asked me to take a time to think and rethink about it before i do it
İ did,and i wear it,i have put it on.
İt was totally my choice
So yes,if i have a daughter,and when she reaches that age,i will advice her to
wear it,because its an order from ALLAH
İf she reject,then its her choice infront of ALLAH,i would have made my duty and adviced her,the rest is up to her. |
Then I can have no conflict with that and only admire you for doing your duty as a parent as you see fit, without forcing your views
thank you for answering my posts
I may not agree with your views but respect them
You put your point across well
but I´m sure we will debate some more
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 11:41 pm |
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Thank you,you also has put your inquiry in a way that made me gladly answer it
Thank you
Quoting silversong: I´m sure we will debate some more |
You can count on that
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