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The Issue of the Veil
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 06:39 pm |
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I just want to clarify something to the people who wonder why Muslims do things like the women wearing hijab. Of course, wearing hijab is not the best appearance of women but according to Muslims, life is a test which is full of temptations and desires that you have to leave some of them (Haram things) for the sake of Allah so that Allah rewards you the Paradise in the next life, so you don´t always have the do the things you want or things that please you whatever the consequences.
And this meaning is stated in Quran in various verses:
What is the life of this world but play and amusement? But best is the home in the hereafter, for those who are righteous. Will ye not then understand? [Sura: 6, Verse: 32].
The (material) things which ye are given are but the conveniences of this life and the glitter thereof; but that which is with Allah is better and more enduring: will ye not then be wise? [Sura: 28, Verse: 60]
O men! Certainly the promise of Allah is true. Let not then this present life deceive you, nor let the Chief Deceiver deceive you about Allah. [Sura: 35, Verse 5]
"O my people! This life of the present is nothing but [temporary] convenience: It is the Hereafter that is the Home that will last. [Sura: 40, Verse: 39]
Know ye [all], that the life of this world is but play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting and multiplying, [in rivalry] among yourselves, riches and sons. Here is a similitude: How rain and the growth which it brings forth, delight [the hearts of] the tillers; soon it withers; thou wilt see it grow yellow; then it becomes dry and crumbles away. But in the Hereafter is a Penalty severe [for the devotees of wrong]. And Forgiveness from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure (for the devotees of Allah). And what is the life of this world, but goods and chattels of deception? [Sura: 57, Verse: 20].
The likeness of the life of the present is as the rain which We send down from the skies: by its mingling arises the produce of the earth- which provides food for men and animals: (It grows) till the earth is clad with its golden ornaments and is decked out (in beauty): the people to whom it belongs think they have all powers of disposal over it: There reaches it Our command by night or by day, and We make it like a harvest clean-mown, as if it had not flourished only the day before! thus do We explain the Signs in detail for those who reflect. [Sura: 10, Verse: 24]
Set forth to them the similitude of the life of this world: It is like the rain which we send down from the skies: the earth´s vegetation absorbs it, but soon it becomes dry stubble, which the winds do scatter: it is (only) Allah who prevails over all things. [Sura: 18, Verse 45]
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 06:55 pm |
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Ok, so hijab is a test - no problems here - it´s your religion and you follow whatever you consider right. What about women who wear burkas etc?
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 07:12 pm |
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Here is the verse that states that all Muslim women should wear the "hijab":
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband´s fathers, their sons, their husbands´ sons, their brothers or their brothers´ sons, or their sisters´ sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss. [Sura: 24, Verse: 31]
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 07:24 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: What about women who wear burkas etc? |
Well,burkas,..ect are not obligation in İslam,they are simply not in the Book
the one i met here ,they have done it by choice,our community actually not a big fan of it,but they choose to wear it,fine
İ had a debat about it with someone who wear it,she was the first women i knew wearing it
She said she think women should wear it for 2 reasons
-İf she is such a beauty,and even with hijab her beauty attract men attention to her
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-İf the world is not a safe place anymore.
She was not that beauty,so she was wearing it for the second reason
İ though wearing niqap wont hide her from the world,so actually she also wont be safe in one as she say she would be
And if she wants to hide from the world and that was her idea,then why she works between people?
To me that is contradicting herself
İf she wants to hide,then she shouldnt interact,and if she interact then she shouldnt hide!
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 07:40 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Ok, so hijab is a test - no problems here - it´s your religion and you follow whatever you consider right. What about women who wear burkas etc? |
I´m, myself not sure about it but Muslim scholars had different views about this. Some of them say that women should only wear hijab as the verse i sent states, while the others see that women should wear the neqab or burka.
But in Islam as long as there is an issue that that Muslim scholars have different views about it, you have the right to follow the view you want or you think is right as long as it is stated by a "well-known scholar" who prove his views from Quran and Sunna (Hadiths), usually one of the "Four Imams" Ahmed ibn hanbal, Shafei, Imam Malik, and Abu Hanyfa.
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 07:56 pm |
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Quoting zizoo: Here is the verse that states that all Muslim women should wear the "hijab":
that they should draw their veils over their bosoms |
Just trying to understand....where does it say they must cover their heads or entire body?...says they should cover bossoms.
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 09:08 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting zizoo: Here is the verse that states that all Muslim women should wear the "hijab":
that they should draw their veils over their bosoms |
Just trying to understand....where does it say they must cover their heads or entire body?...says they should cover bossoms. |
No, this is also stated in the verse:
"and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof".
If you look at the interpretation books of Quran, you will find that what is meant by "except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof" are only the face and hands, meaning that they should cover all their body except for face and hands.
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 09:29 pm |
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Quoting zizoo: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting zizoo: Here is the verse that states that all Muslim women should wear the "hijab":
that they should draw their veils over their bosoms |
Just trying to understand....where does it say they must cover their heads or entire body?...says they should cover bossoms. |
No, this is also stated in the verse:
"and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof".
If you look at the interpretation books of Quran, you will find that what is meant by "except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof" are only the face and hands, meaning that they should cover all their body except for face and
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I dont usually get involved in this kind of discussion, because I think women should wear what they wish if it is their free choice
but I am trying hard to understand another point of view
I dont understand why it is women who have to cover their beauty and modesty
is this to prevent indecent thoughts and actions by men
why is this the women responsibility, are men incapable of taking resposibility for their own actions in the eyes of Islam
Would it not be better to advise men to treat women with dignity and respect rather than put the burden of some mens thoughts buy asking women to cover their beauty
Just another point of view
Or maybe women will always carry the burden of men 
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 10:32 pm |
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Quoting silversong: I dont usually get involved in this kind of discussion, because I think women should wear what they wish if it is their free choice
but I am trying hard to understand another point of view
I dont understand why it is women who have to cover their beauty and modesty
is this to prevent indecent thoughts and actions by men
why is this the women responsibility, are men incapable of taking resposibility for their own actions in the eyes of Islam
Would it not be better to advise men to treat women with dignity and respect rather than put the burden of some mens thoughts buy asking women to cover their beauty
Just another point of view
Or maybe women will always carry the burden of men |
+1
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 10:41 pm |
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Quoting zizoo: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting zizoo: Here is the verse that states that all Muslim women should wear the "hijab":
that they should draw their veils over their bosoms |
Just trying to understand....where does it say they must cover their heads or entire body?...says they should cover bossoms. |
No, this is also stated in the verse:
"and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof".
If you look at the interpretation books of Quran, you will find that what is meant by "except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof" are only the face and hands, meaning that they should cover all their body except for face and hands. |
Sorry, still confused....because I don´t consider my face or hair an ornament but yet some muslim women wear burkas. I just find it strange. On the other hand, if this is how a woman chooses to dress, I believe it is her right. However, I have spent some time in some muslim countries and I was not given the choice. I was told I must wear a burka or the religious police could arrest me. So, my "choice" was...wear it and everything will be fine OR don´t wear it and be arrested. Somehow, I don´t see this as freedom of choice. I don´t mean to be disrespectful, but you have to admit that the inability for muslims to even decide between no veil/veil/burka makes you all look a little...indecisive to say the least.
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 10:52 pm |
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Quoting silversong:
Or maybe women will always carry the burden of men |
Absolutely! As far as I have observed, the same excuse is given for women wearing a burka as for female circumcision - that is to prevent MEN from being jealous.
Both the burka and female circumcision have nothing to do with the Quran and everything to do with very outdated customs in particular countries which later became muslim.
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