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Thread: What is your mood today?

371.       vineyards
1954 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 02:53 am

Hope he shows up. Cats disappear sometimes and show up weeks later. If it is a young one that may not be the case though.

Quoting libralady

Unhappy, my poorly little cat has not come home and I am worried about him {#emotions_dlg.sad}

 

 



Thread: What are you listening now?

372.       vineyards
1954 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 02:51 am

I like Volga Volga. I sometimes sing it. Though I just know the Volga Volga part.



Thread: HOLOCAUST

373.       vineyards
1954 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 02:48 am

OK I am giving up. I confess:

Israel is the land of angels. They stay away from other people´s business and mind their own business. They don´t have a nationalist government in power and its people are fond of singing We Are The World, We Are he Children faithful to the original lyrics (see youtube).

They are not backing the Kurds and you know what; they love those nasty Palestinians. There is no blockade in Ghazza. All that they are doing is teaching Ghazzans a lesson to help them to become better humans.

 

They did not kill the people on MV Blue Marmara, stray bullets found the victims perchance. Israeli soldiers attacked that boat in the international waters to find a chance to defend themselves. As a manifestation of how excellent they are defensively they crushed the skull of one of the victims by firing 5 shots from short distance.



Thread: HOLOCAUST

374.       vineyards
1954 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 02:15 pm

Thanks for quoting verses from The Quran. Now the door is swinging open for all other believers to quote verses from their own holy books.

I think verses from the Quran can be used to shape the internal and external affairs of a community. Depending on the size of that community, religious rules can become the guideline to run an entire country. Nevertheless, holy books must not be used to justify political events. We have international rules fulfilling that function. You know people are divided into religious groups each containing billions of believers. If you want to solve the problem in the Middle East according to the rules of Islam, then they will push the rules of the Old Testament, the Christian bystanders meanwhile interprete the happening according to the rules stated in the Bible. Isn´t this already what is happening?

I wouldn´t want a Jew judge by the rules in his Old Testament and I wouldn´t judge him according to the rules of Islam. Their book is for them and ours is for us. This is what the prophet of Islam said. (Although his deeds on record are not very much in line with this statement.)

 



Thread: HOLOCAUST

375.       vineyards
1954 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 02:06 pm

You demand a simple answer and you stray out of the topic when presented with one. I would like to maintain my focus on your question and I think I have answered it quite well...

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Look!!

Just go back and  check what happened since the Kurdish opening!!

You dont need to be an extra clever to see what has happened and happening!!!

Nationalists blocked the opening; The guy in Imrali is pulling ropes.. Kurdish people is expecting a peaceful solution and with the nationalist sentiments, we are unable to provide it... PKK is there to stay..BDP is there to stay. You have to include them into the peace process. You coming and insisting that ´I dont talk to PKK-that is fine- I dont talk to Kurdish party BDP; I dont listen to NGOs -Kurdish NGOs said : both parties should stop fighting-´ and then IGNORE ALL and say ´it is Israel this time´.

This is a sheer insult to Kurds in Turkey.

The opening has stopped.. Kurdish party is closed.. People came with the opening put in jails.. People came from Iraq were returned back..

The guy in Imrali giving orders as ´I am out  from the negations end of the month´ and the attacks are starting the following day.. 

Where is Israel in this equations?

All above are OUR SHORTCOMINGS..

NO.. Israel is not in this..

This is our problem. And as long as you dont realise that  will stay as our problem ..

You are free to believe the lies!! I told and asked you ´who lied to you; what sort of lies etc´ of course.. You HAVE ignored them.. You dont have face to admit that ´the people who lied to you about the existence of Kurds, keep telling you Kurdish problem is nothing to do with Turkey. It is all foreigners´ 

Of course you will ignore those.. Because it is embarrassing.. 

Believe as much lies as you want That is your short coming..

I wont..

 

 

 



Thread: HOLOCAUST

376.       vineyards
1954 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 01:14 pm

You are a hopeless case. If I have to repeat a simple phrase three times just to make you understand the difference between suspicion and proven act of hostility. Excuse me, I have lost you and you have lost me. Don´t expect answers when answer is there for everyone to see.

The PKK attacks have recently increased dramaticaly and this coincided with the tension in the relations with Israel.

This raises question marks since the worsening of the relations have also had consequences on political, economic and cultural levels.

Suspicion as it is understood by any normal person is not a substantiated belied. Yet it is one of the ways we humans shape our thoughts. Conflicts between nations may get worse  when one or both of them is/are suspicious of the other. Similarly, when countries have confidence in one another they have an excellent rapport. This is why the US and Israel are such great friends. Turkey and Israel are also two great friends but this is mostly on paper. Because the US does not have full confidence in Turkey. For over fifty, years and despite all the efforts of the past governments the relations between Turkey is still being declared as getting better when a comparison is made to those between Israel and US.

Read this one carefully: in the international politics, suspicion and confidence are two golden keywords. Why did Saddam lose his head and why was his country invaded? Wasn´t that because of a mere suspicion?



Edited (7/22/2010) by vineyards



Thread: HOLOCAUST

377.       vineyards
1954 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 02:12 am

Thehandsom, or should I call you Sherlock? How would an ordinary person have a proof of a classified government action? This is not a court and we are not in the process of issuing a verdict. Like everyone else, we are discussing matters without being able to access real information. We are just speculating based on results. I am not Napoleon and you are not Winston Churchill. Nothing is expected of this discussion. We just test opinions and try to find explanations to major political affairs. 

Ultimately, we are fighting against the factors that limit free thought and logical inference. These are nationalism, patriotic feelings, racial and cultural identity. Some members defend their nations just like they are supporting their national football teams. Some members have identity problems, they have a problem saying us. They just form the other pole just because the few bad books they read eons ago told them to deny their own culture and embrace another one which would eventually turn them into slaves.

Quoting thehandsom

Well

I said "proof".. not a tell-tale..

As far as I know there is not one..There are speculations/comments/opinions etc..

But NO PROOF..

 

 

 

 



Thread: What is the best turkish names ?

378.       vineyards
1954 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 12:46 am

Ada is not related to any other name in other languages. Ada means "island" in Turkish.

You would read Ada by stressing the first syllable in English whereas in Turkish both syllables are equal in length the second one is slightly emphatic. Like Uh-´duh.



Thread: HOLOCAUST

379.       vineyards
1954 posts
 22 Jul 2010 Thu 12:39 am

I can´t resist it anymore, welcome to the kindergarten. We are expected to present proofs of  our suspicion about an Israeli involvement as politicians, military and the secret services are still in the thick of it.

A suspicion is a suspicion. There are the tell-tale signs of of it:

 

1- After the bloody Blue Marmara attack in the international waters, the Israeli government rejected to apoligize and demanded an apology instead.

2- In the time between Erdogan-Perez tension and the flotilla attack, the Israeli government took a series of actions to punish Turkey internationally, these include:

- The meeting crisis: The Turkish minister was seated in a low chair and pictured as the Israeli minister was overlooking him in a despising manner. A childish act of scorning.

- The Israeli government left its traditional stance of siding with Turkey regarding Armenia and began backing Armenians which facilitated the lobby activities for Armenia and result began coming in. In other words, Israel opinion about whether the Armenian massacre really happened or not depends solely on its relations with Turkey.

-Whenever Ghazza blockade was brought up by Turkey, Israel insistingly pointed out to the conflict between the Kurds and Turks naming Turkey as the last nation to teach Israel a lesson.

-The Israeli government advised its people against travelling to Turkey and a number of Turkish companies in Israel faced loss of business and legal actions were taken against them to terminate their contracts on account that Turkey is no longer a reliable partner.

And in the aftermath of the flotilla crisis, terror incidents increased several folds. Whereas only a couple of months ago people were talking about a new initiative, terrorists were asked to return their homes. Somebody pulled the trigger and we begin losing tens of people in one go. Without planning and provision of capable arms how could the PKK achieve this?

 

 



Edited (7/22/2010) by vineyards



Thread: HOLOCAUST

380.       vineyards
1954 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 11:10 pm

I am yet to see any of your grey tones. You say the US is not trying to create wars, just check out how many of the wars currently being fought have the US as one of the sides. The US is the most warlike nation in the world. It has the largest military budget and it is never tired of reinforcing its arsenal. The US is so much involved in expensive military campaigns, countless international military bases etc. that it has become economically difficult to maintain them. What else do you expect them to do; invade Europe maybe?

Quoting barba_mama

It´s a shame that people don´t appreciate proof and logical thinking anymore... It´s like everything is black or white, and nobody is able to see that most of the world is grey.

 

 

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