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Thread: HOLOCAUST

381.       vineyards
1954 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 03:26 pm

Thehandsom, you will not stop ridiculing people, will you?

Quoting thehandsom

I am always amazed to see the level of imagination some people show when it comes to ´trying to find foreign involvements for our own internal Kurdish problem´!! {#emotions_dlg.eeek}

No countries can escape from this paranoid imagination of us..

USA/ALL EU(FRANCE/UK/BELGIUM/GERMANY/ITALY/GREECE)/ARMENIA/RUSSIA/IRAQ etc and now Israel..

Narnia and middle-earth are next!!

Phew!!  

 

 



Thread: HOLOCAUST

382.       vineyards
1954 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 02:32 pm

Let´s set the record straight. The focus here is on the need for exchanging messages without flaming the other party. It is not a call made specifically for you.

I don´t think you have a special interest regarding this matter, I don´t think your meaning is bad either. I know you are angry over Israel´s blatant violation of international laws and subsequently turning this into a show of bravado.

On paper Israel is a tiny country, they can play the victim whenever they need a favour from the US. I am sure they are doing this when they talk to the US leaders emphasizing how important having a full-fledged defense system in place to maintain the country´s existence in the Middle East is. Peculiarly, the US appreciates this need and provides the country with a generous access to its conventional and nuclear arsenal. Presently, it is believed that Israel owns 200 nuclear war-heads and a good supply of all the biochemical weapons known to man. It is impercievable that US would let Israel play with all this power unless of course Israel is considered by the US as an avatar. In the end, these two countries are known to be responsible for the formation of the Neocon stance.

To make a long story short, it was not only Israel that attacked the flotilla. Since the end of the 80´s there is a search for alternative political and economic formations that could counterbalance the unreasonable weight the US and Israel have gained over the recent years and these two are showing their baseball sticks whenever their authority is challenged. They have a simple policy that can be summer up as "If you are not my friend you are my enemy." We have become the enemy of Israel although we have not killed a single Jew. The terror incidents in South East have suspiciously increased several folds. The terrorist now have access to more powerful weapons. Brazil gave up on it role to moderate the talks between the West and Iran after receiving a denouncing statement from the US.

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

I like your optimistic approach. However, the civilian ship confiscated in open sea, using brute military force, killing 19 armless relief workers is still not released and no apology - apart from idiotic excuses - from murderers seem to be forthcoming.

 

Do you still think I have personal intersts vested in the issue?

 

 

 



Thread: What is the best turkish names ?

383.       vineyards
1954 posts
 19 Jul 2010 Mon 06:53 pm

 The last one is written as Mikail.

Quoting Nuraa-xo

girls names:
Pınar, Damla, Emel, Gizem, Sena, Cansu, Sema, Ebru, Esra, Eda, Ecem, Aylin, Aynur, Elif, Burcu, Filiz, Arzu, Ela, Melisa, Elin, Asli, Pelin
boys name:
Berk, Can, Cenk, Erdem, Emre, Umit, Umut, Erkan, Metin, Mete, Evren, Polat, Alp, Orkan, Yilmaz, Mikael


 

 



Thread: HOLOCAUST

384.       vineyards
1954 posts
 19 Jul 2010 Mon 06:50 pm

Alphaf and Lemon, let this be a chance to share our knowledge without flaming the other party. We all make this mistake now and then. Now it is the time to cool down. I believe everyone is learning something from one another. When we talk about sensitive matters we stand on the edge of a fight and flaming. When we ask a question about hidden intentions, personal interests etc, the fall begins. Let´s avoid these pitfalls they are very easy to avoid. 

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Thread: HOLOCAUST

385.       vineyards
1954 posts
 19 Jul 2010 Mon 04:45 pm

Let me list item by item.

* The Holocaust was real and there is no question about how terrible it was. The incident happened nearly 70 years ago, more or less during the prime time of our grand or for some of us grand grand fathers.

*The forties was a period marked by the rise of fascism which is essentially a despotic and racist regime. The fight was said to be between the good guys and the fascists. One of the good guys the US had not settled its race related problems yet. The black people had their own neighborhoods, they were not welcome in a white man´s shop or to sit with white people on the buses. There were all the signs of a systematic state racism. For Russia, the fascist Nazi regime was a natural enemy. Fascism helped Russia to lay the foundations of their own system. It provided instant justification for the iron curtain she would build later on.

*The rise of the Nazi regime in Germany was aided by the Social Democrats. Doesn´t that ring a bell, remember Turkey....

*America emerged as a great liberator from the war. No one cared about its own racist policies and culture which would go strong for at least a couple of more decades. There are lots of books covering the WW2 many of which were written with an omniscient point of view. They tell us what the soldiers were doing in the trenches, what was passing through the minds of the generals as they were issueing their command and the backgrounds of the vital decisions made by the political leaders of the era. They all do this from a British and American perspective. With millions of German documents confiscated by the American army, we can only count on their version of the truth. They have the papers in their own stores and no one is allowed to see them.

In the end nothing can nullify the horrible truth which apparent but I personally would argue like this:

German people were probably not more racist than Americans. They were passing through difficult times politically. The irresponsible policies of Social Democrats helped a terrible leader in Adolf Hitler to hold the reins of the country and the rest followed.

Imagine what would happen if Hitler was American President.



Edited (7/19/2010) by vineyards

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Thread: Cahit Külebi - Story

386.       vineyards
1954 posts
 18 Jul 2010 Sun 05:17 pm

Well Bernard Lewis was British

Anyway, he says "cornfields" which is not true bugday means wheat.

If his assumption that this story is told to a child is true then I completely misunderstood this poem. I must have studied more carefully. I thought the poem was written for a lady.

 

Another thought came to my mind, Lewis used the verb "fondle", doesn´t this one have some sexual connotations. Can it describe a baby or a child "fondling" a grown up? I am sorry whenever I hear this word I associate it with Benny Hill



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Thread: HOLOCAUST

387.       vineyards
1954 posts
 18 Jul 2010 Sun 05:11 pm

  Good one.

I end this with a quote from Jack Handy a humorist who gives us a glimps of the nature of man: "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they´d never expect it."

 

 

 



Thread: HOLOCAUST

388.       vineyards
1954 posts
 18 Jul 2010 Sun 05:04 pm

Well, a similar incident happened in Korea. Turkish brigade originally intended as reserve forces were used by American and British generals as a shield to perform a retreat of their own soldiers. Turkish soldiers got involved in a face-to-face war with North Koreans at a place called Kunuri. Thousands were killed or maimed. As usual, Turkey was expected to send troops in return of some political benefits. Every little benefit Turkey gained from the West has always costed the country the lives of its soldiers.

Quoting stumpy

Let me tell you that if it were not for the Canadians efforts the Americans would not have been the ones liberating France.  In the first hour of the battle on the Normandy coast Canada lost 50% of it´s fighting men and they faught against some of the best trained German soldiers like the 1st SS and 12th SS devisions and Panzer-Lehr-devision and this through Caen and Falaise to liberate Paris.

 

 

 



Thread: Cahit Külebi - Story

389.       vineyards
1954 posts
 18 Jul 2010 Sun 03:32 pm

Ringo was damn right singing it that way.

 

I have always found British English to be a lot more difficult than the US one. With all those glottal stops and stringent grammar rules, it is next to impossible to master.

 

These folks have already taken a great distance in destroying the authenticity of the English language, they seem to be the right guys to co-operate with.

 



Thread: How do I pronounce this name

390.       vineyards
1954 posts
 18 Jul 2010 Sun 03:24 pm

I´ve found Memati is an Arabic name and it means death. An Arabic user could help us with that one.

 

People like watching mafia movies where sadistic men in black suits cut one another´s throat for fun.



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