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Thread: Hiroshima eye-witness account

341.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Aug 2010 Sat 12:26 am

Well, I have a formal education too. I think when you want to draw assumptions about what people think about a particular subject, reading their actual remarks would always serve a good starting point. You don´t mind the quality of the people using youtube because you know you are in search of the opinions of the general public and the internet is an excellent channel to do that. That´s why everyone is there including governments and multibillion dollar companies. For that reason, people with formal educations do take youtube seriously. They know that the platform has some 50 million registered users and many more casual browsers. What else do you need to learn what the people think?



Thread: Hiroshima eye-witness account

342.       vineyards
1954 posts
 06 Aug 2010 Fri 11:44 pm

I apoligized because I think I am a mature person who can apoligize when he realizes he has made a mistake and the mistake might not be a big mistake after all as you have realized yourself. You continue in an agitated tone, God only knows what the motive is, since that would not be my business.

I may or I may have not repaired your broken heart but you must realize that you are not necessarily in the limelight here. I am talking about a barbarous act. I can offer you proofs about how jubilantly the surrender of Japan was received despite obvious barbarism behind the scenes. I think I can also provide materials proving the ethnic hatred directed at Japs as they were derogatively called then. Just type the subject in youtube and facebook and see what thousands of American contributors think about the incident. So, far I am trying to bring the focus back on where it must be, the way this horrendous incident is perceived by the masses in America. If you say there is nothing wrong there, this would be your idea and I wouldn´t care less. I am not attacking you personally, I am not invading you territory, feel safe and try to mind your p´s and q´s when replying to posts.

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 

 

Thanks for apologizing, although, I can sense that it is not sincere.  I am offended by your accusation that most Americans are jubilant about it.  It´s really not your business what whether I join the ranks of people who demand justice....to be honest you have no idea how I feel about this or what organizations I belong to. 

 

 

 



Thread: Hiroshima eye-witness account

343.       vineyards
1954 posts
 06 Aug 2010 Fri 10:21 pm

OK I have replaced "the general public" part with more conservative wording. You say you feel offended reading my comments. I shed tears when reading the memories of that woman. It is heart-breaking that no official apoligy has been made to date. Rather than being offended, you should join the ranks of those who demand justice for the victims.

 

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 

Quoting vineyards

This incident is still remembered jubilantly by the general public in the US...

 

 

 

Not a fair statement and I am personally offended.  It´s not fair to assume that the general public is "jubilant" about this.  It was a horrible event! 

 

Just another one of those posts that makes me wonder why the hell I stay on TC!  Between the arguements about Kurds to the religious intolerance it just seems less and less like a place to come and learn about a country I love so much. 

 

 



Thread: Hiroshima eye-witness account

344.       vineyards
1954 posts
 06 Aug 2010 Fri 06:32 pm

After reading this excerpts, I wonder where on Earth the Devil resides? Could it be in Truman´s office? This incident was jubilantly celebrated in combination with the surrender of Japan and the ending of the war.  The pilots of Enola Gay received  heros´ return from American people. To this day, the US government has not officially apoligized. Many American citizens with whom I brought this matter up stated that they considered this incident as a revenge of the attack on Pearl Harbour.

 

When we were near in Hatchobori and since I had been holding my son in my arms, the young woman in front of me said, I will be getting off here. Please take this seat.´ We were just changing places when there was a strange smell and sound. It suddenly became dark and before I knew it, I had jumped outside.... I held [my son] firmly and looked down on him. He had been standing by the window and I think fragments of glass had pierced his head. His face was a mess because of the blood flowing from his head. But he looked at my face and smiled. His smile has remained glued in my memory. He did not comprehend what had happened. And so he looked at me and smiled at my face which was all bloody. I had plenty of milk which he drank all throughout that day. I think my child sucked the poison right out of my body. And soon after that he died. Yes, I think that he died for me.

http://www.atomicarchive.com/History/twocities/hiroshima/page14.shtml

 

 



Edited (8/6/2010) by vineyards



Thread: Humans : Are they good or evil?

345.       vineyards
1954 posts
 03 Aug 2010 Tue 01:26 am

Protogoras -a wise man from many hundreds of years ago put it this way: "Man is the measure of all things." 

Just like all other living things, humans are opportunistic by nature. Opportunism is one of the most vivid indicators of intelligence. Nature without intelligence is just a string of phenomena occuring in perfect spontaneity. Humans, animals and even plants turn this spontaneity into a form which is more predictable and thus controllable creating centers of intelligence relentlessly fostering processes benign to them and mitigating those that would undermine their existence. A forest transforms the terrain on which it exists and introduces a system which fosters elements supportive of its own existence and eliminates those that are a threat for it. Humans are very much that way too. Nevertheless, it is virtually impossible to isolate  human from society. Humans exist in social groups and their qualities develop as a result of complex interaction with society. Remembering what Protogoras said, they are basically measurement instruments but what they measure or how they measure is not completely at their discretion. The definition of malice for a nun in a monastery is not the same as that believed true by a party girl. A truly wicked person could be considered as an angel by his friends in the mafia. Likewise, someone whom you admire could be detested by another. All these prove that we need reference points to determine what is good and any judgement made that way is valid only within a certain context.

In nature, there is no good or bad. There are just phenomena and their consequences. Good and bad exist in people´s minds. People have founded institutions which they declared instrumental in determining what is good. Religion is one of them,the justice system is another. Once you get into one of them, you must follow their path and make decisions filtering out certain aspects of life. At the end of the day, you may feel content having done the right things thus becoming a good person. But these instutions too change over time. The laws are lifted when they are overdue, religions are reformed when they can´t keep up, and no book of ethics can remain in circulation for more than a few decades. From a universal perspective, what we are actually seeking is a quick and dirty decision that will give us the contendness we need.

Not only are we the judges of others, we also like to be judged from time to time. That´s why we ask questions about being right or wrong. We sometimes need confirmation, a tapping on the shoulder that will set us on the right track.

There is the well-known concept of tabula rasa which holds that man is like an empty board at birth. Therefore he is essentially neither good nor bad. Accordingly, good and bad are two concepts that come to life as one gains knowledge. A Biblical scene depicts the moment when Adam eats the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Knowledge introduced mortality, self-awareness and a string of other human qualities. According to the Bible, man has the potentiality of making mistakes or committing crimes. The Christian faith considers man bad by birth and requires him to be baptized to get rid of that primeval sin. Christian God feels compassion for man despite his mistakes and sins and offers instant salvation to repentful souls.



Edited (8/3/2010) by vineyards
Edited (8/3/2010) by vineyards
Edited (8/4/2010) by vineyards [to err is human]

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Thread: What is your favourite holiday destination in Turkey?

346.       vineyards
1954 posts
 01 Aug 2010 Sun 06:43 am

Let me start by naming mine:

Assos: pristine water, rich history, secluded beach.  You feel completely isolated from the hassles of the world outside. Watch out the sea urchins though.

The air in Assos is very rich in oxygene and is very clean. That combined with the meals prepared with the endemic herbs and spices brought from the hills in the vicinity produce a therapeutic effect. You certainly feel better when leaving Assos at the end of your holiday.

Once we joined a group of friends and put up tents in a designated area somewhere along the dirt road stretching through the cove. It was a bare-bones holiday experience. If you have a busy brain like me, you will like this place. It provides an ideal setting for putting all your thoughts behind. If you go for the cheap tent holiday don´t forget your mosquito repellent lotion.



Thread: Turkey´s rank in the tourism league.

347.       vineyards
1954 posts
 01 Aug 2010 Sun 06:13 am

Based on 2009 figures, Turkey ranks 7th in terms of tourist arrivals. 25.5 million tourists visited the country that year and listings indicate a rising trend. Also, Istanbul is the 8th most visited city in the world. 

Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tourism_rankings



Thread: Funhouse mirrors

348.       vineyards
1954 posts
 30 Jul 2010 Fri 04:33 am

You may think you are dainty young lady, or a serious looking businessman when you are in the funhouse the mirrors reflect a different image of you. Your head will look like a balloon, legs will be crocked and the nose like a cucumber.

This is so much the case with people having those holy causes. They see what they want to see in people regardless of who they are. If you don´t fit in his sacred scheme, you are expendable.

The 70´s and early 80´s were the heydays of these bigots. They would tell you one must kill for his cause when a need arises. They would label you, blame you and even excommunicate you, when they realize you are a no go. They were the prophets of crocked ideologies garnered from make-believe paradises. They had the priority in conversation, had a natural right to interrupt and patronize you. I have always detested these people and tried my best to distance myself from them.

I must confess, they were having a good time together like children in the fun house, pointing and laughing at the distorted images of the world around them. They had faith in a bright future, a fools paradise that would come in the form of a revolution.

Then came a day when it seemed the paradise was beginning to be lost but they did not realize this in the beginning. Some of these guys developed a taste for certain luxuries like expensive foreign cigarettes and whisky. When I inquired a few them about the reason of this indulgence in the products of the evil West, they would answer me with this historic statement:

Communism is meant for making people wealthy and affluent. I don´t have to live like a poor worker. Poor workers must get rich like me.

Well, these people want to take all the goodies for themselves without worrying about how to correct things for others. If Europe is good, they go to Europe but still rave about Turkey, if whisky is good, they drink as if there is no tomorrow. They want to enjoy all the worldly pleasures. Yet they also want a chair in the labourers´ cause. They are the ardent readers of poems of pride, glory and valor but when it comes to fulfilling their own military service they become conscientious objectors.

I don´t know if they will ever wake up to the reality...

 

 

 

 



Edited (7/30/2010) by vineyards
Edited (7/30/2010) by vineyards



Thread: Dangerous games

349.       vineyards
1954 posts
 30 Jul 2010 Fri 01:14 am

The link takes you to a site proclaiming itself as a proponent of the labour movement in Turkey. Nabi Yagci excerpts from whose article was featured in thehandsom´s post was the former chairman of the Communist Party in Turkey. The article vents the frustration over Yagci´s role during the dissolving of the party and criticises the way he introduces himself as the party general secretary despite being one of the reasons why the party got dissolved in the first place.

 



Thread: Kurd-free Turkey?

350.       vineyards
1954 posts
 29 Jul 2010 Thu 03:27 pm

Thank you for editing.



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