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what is the opinion on this??
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24 Dec 2006 Sun 12:26 am |
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Quoting aenigma x:
OK deal - if you stop turning threads into chat rooms  |
ooo no deal..deals off 
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24 Dec 2006 Sun 12:44 am |
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I hope you're not forgetting that we're only allowed to express our opinions here and NOT attack each other!
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24 Dec 2006 Sun 01:06 am |
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Quoting catwoman:
I hope you're not forgetting that we're only allowed to express our opinions here and NOT attack each other! |
Nevertheless I think leander made some valid points.
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24 Dec 2006 Sun 01:08 am |
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Quoting Joey: Quoting catwoman:
I hope you're not forgetting that we're only allowed to express our opinions here and NOT attack each other! |
Nevertheless I think leander made some valid points. |
yeh they did..
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24 Dec 2006 Sun 01:12 am |
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Quoting Joey: Quoting catwoman:
I hope you're not forgetting that we're only allowed to express our opinions here and NOT attack each other! |
Nevertheless I think leander made some valid points. |
The requirement for participating in these discussions is expressing opinions without attacks/insults. It doesn't matter if you have valid points.
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24 Dec 2006 Sun 02:12 am |
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Aenigma,
Since you wrote ;
“what other country do you know where military is so respected by its people?â€The answer is easy, any “police stateâ€.
as a response to KeithL ,who had said that millitary is respected by turkish people, i thought you were implying that this kind of support for millitary happens only in police states.Correct me if i got it wrong.Besides i wasn't only responding to you , for you're not the only one who accuses Turkey with being millitarist or police state in the west, so i tried to explain why i think this is not the case for Turkey.
and don't worry im neither upset nor meant to upset anyone else 
I just stated my oposing view on the subject.
catwomen ,
Attack? Insult?Whom?Where?
Please point out to me which part of my post you find insulting.
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24 Dec 2006 Sun 02:51 am |
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Quoting leander: Aenigma,
Since you wrote ;
“what other country do you know where military is so respected by its people?â€The answer is easy, any “police stateâ€.
as a response to KeithL ,who had said that millitary is respected by turkish people, i thought you were implying that this kind of support for millitary happens only in police states.Correct me if i got it wrong.Besides i wasn't only responding to you , for you're not the only one who accuses Turkey with being millitarist or police state in the west, so i tried to explain why i think this is not the case for Turkey.
and don't worry im neither upset nor meant to upset anyone else
I just stated my oposing view on the subject.
catwomen ,
Attack? Insult?Whom?Where?
Please point out to me which part of my post you find insulting.
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I'm just warning you so that you don't go too far and then are surprised if your post is deleted.
People are saying that criticism isn't allowed in Turkey because when some people disagree with the common opinion, they are harshly attacked. It's weird that there's no one Turkish person who disagrees with the popular views.
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24 Dec 2006 Sun 02:53 am |
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Quoting leander: Since you wrote ;
“what other country do you know where military is so respected by its people?â€The answer is easy, any “police stateâ€.
as a response to KeithL ,who had said that millitary is respected by turkish people, i thought you were implying that this kind of support for millitary happens only in police states.Correct me if i got it wrong. |
Leander, Yes you did get it wrong. I was answering Keith's question, albeit, rather sarcastically yes, and I have made it clear I do not think Turkey is a police state. I fully understand why the military are there, and agree with the original reasons. Why did you not comment on the rest of my post though?
All I was saying was, YES the military need to keep a large presence in Turkey - it has many borders and there ARE threats. However, the military having power over government is another matter. It was necessity when Ataturk first made his radical reforms, to protect his principles. However, this was many decades ago. I think if he was still alive he would have relaxed this somewhat now. It is just my opinion - and not necessarily a critical one. The only thing that makes me critical here, is the rather rude and agressive attacks people receive for expressing their opinions.
Quoting aenigma x: Ataturk did set up the country in this way because he was changing the country radically and rightly needed to protect both his ideals and Turkey. However, I feel it has been allowed to continue for two long. Ataturk was a liberal minded, forward thinking and inventive leader who I am sure would be horrified to find that his country’s policies have remained relatively stagnant since his death (apart from the forced hand of the EU application).
One of his 6 main fundamentals? REFORMISM!
“Positive science is the torch held aloft by the Turkish people as it progresses on the path of civilisation.â€
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24 Dec 2006 Sun 12:22 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: People are saying that criticism isn't allowed in Turkey because when some people disagree with the common opinion, they are harshly attacked. It's weird that there's no one Turkish person who disagrees with the popular views. |
common opinions?
popular views?
Could you specify?
Quoting catwoman: I'm just warning you so that you don't go too far and then are surprised if your post is deleted. |
I can see you just wanted to warn leander as she is new to the site.
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24 Dec 2006 Sun 12:40 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting leander: Police state?If you knew the meaning of that you wouldn't come up with such comparison.Turkey is a social lawstate and a pluralist democracy. |
Oh please calm down  At NO TIME was I calling Turkey a police state, I was commenting on Keith L's strange description. I am well aware of what a police state is thank you  |
and what was strange about my description?
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24 Dec 2006 Sun 12:56 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: and what was strange about my description? |
Nothing Keith, maybe I miss-read it ! I wont be arguing today sorry hehe! 
I am taking the day off - a kind of argue-holiday! It's all peace and love in the Aenigma camp today 
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