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what is the opinion on this??
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:05 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: the person who insults government of Turkish Republic, the justice branches of governmet, military or the police orginzation openly/directly/clearly is sentenced to imprisonment from 6 months to 3 years
"here it says if it is done in abroad by a Turkish citizen that person gets ban 3 times more" |
If you cannot criticise your government, then where is democracy?
It certainly explains a lot about the behaviour on this website....
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:05 pm |
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are foreigners also subject to these laws?..as in if a foreigner insults turkey are they also in breach of the article..or just turkish people? .sorry im askinga a silly question..
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:07 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting SuiGeneris: the person who insults government of Turkish Republic, the justice branches of governmet, military or the police orginzation openly/directly/clearly is sentenced to imprisonment from 6 months to 3 years
"here it says if it is done in abroad by a Turkish citizen that person gets ban 3 times more" |
If you cannot criticise your government, then where is democracy? |
i said "insult"... and if you read the 4th passage you will see "crictisizing" is not crime... we have a council and each member is crictisizing in meetings what government is doing
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:08 pm |
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SuiGeneris, the problem some countries have with law 301 is that it's vague and allows the government to convict for anything they want. An example of this is the fact that before EU put pressure on Turkey because of this law, very minor incidents were punished, but after that point even O. Pamuk wasn't convicted (despite the tremendous pressure from the society).
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:09 pm |
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Quoting robyn  : are foreigners also subject to these laws?..as in if a foreigner insults turkey are they also in breach of the article..or just turkish people?.sorry im askinga a silly question.. |
i will personally ask you?
could you stand to be insulted?
and also, Italy and France and many countries has such laws...
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:12 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting robyn : are foreigners also subject to these laws?..as in if a foreigner insults turkey are they also in breach of the article..or just turkish people?.sorry im askinga a silly question.. |
i will personally ask you?
could you stand to be insulted?
and also, Italy and France and many countries has such laws... |
no im not saying it is right or wrong..i have no problem with it..
i was asking if it is just turkish ppl subject to obeying it or every1.if u get what i mean..
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:12 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: SuiGeneris, the problem some countries have with law 301 is that it's vague and allows the government to convict for anything they want. An example of this is the fact that before EU put pressure on Turkey because of this law, very minor incidents were punished, but after that point even O. Pamuk wasn't convicted (despite the tremendous pressure from the society). |
The problem here is not the law 301...
the problem is how we mean it... and use it... And as i said before The EU itself has such laws...
the wise EU cant see that if i sue Orhan Pamuk with that law... its my stupities... not Turkey's...
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:14 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting robyn : are foreigners also subject to these laws?..as in if a foreigner insults turkey are they also in breach of the article..or just turkish people?.sorry im askinga a silly question.. |
i will personally ask you?
could you stand to be insulted?
and also, Italy and France and many countries has such laws... |
Actually I think it is very very healthy to insult your own government. We insult ours in TV comedies, news, documentaries, books, all media. They have to answer any questions about their conduct - and rightly so! We have a situation right now where our Prime Minister has been questioned by police regarding an "honours" scam. Very very healthy...
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:18 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x:
Actually I think it is very very healthy to insult your own government. We insult ours in TV comedies, news, documentaries, books, all media. They have to answer any questions about their conduct - and rightly so! We have a situation right now where our Prime Minister has been questioned by police regarding an "honours" scam. Very very healthy... |
how you know that we are not doing that?
we have lots of speakers talks about govenrments movements and decisions etc...
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anotherwords if you are a non turkish citizen and live abroad you are not subject to this law..thank you