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what is the opinion on this??
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:48 pm |
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Quoting Trudy: Quoting uYkuSuz: yes that's why i dont want any foreigners to talk about this subject. Cause you cant understand us. |
If people can't react to items YOU think they are unfamiliair with, we might as well close down this forum and go back to where we all are / came from without looking across the border (literally or in a matter of speach) ever again.
Second, maybe people DO understand you better than you think but it does not mean they have to agree with you. |
there is only one truth.
maybe i m right maybe i m wrong. But if the people do not know enough information about what they re talkin about. How can we discuss about it ? how can they think they are right ? ?
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:49 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting uYkuSuz: so why again and again ? |
Again and again because never a real discussion has been possible. Always one side gets offended and the other one tries to talk sense into that person. The topic gets put aside just for the sake of being right. We are discussing again and again and again till there is a healthy discussion of whichj after joining it we dont feel like we exhausted our speech needlessly but we feel like we learnt something new. Till that day I vote for more discussions about topics that seem to be undiscussable. |
yes but we can't learn anything when people are on the defensive thinking we are insulting when we are merely asking for information..
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:50 pm |
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Quote: Qdemir, to me it's a sign of insecurity and lack of maturity if you start your post saying that my goal was not to understand you or to criticize you. Well, if that's the assumptions you start with, then there's really no way we can communicate.
Also, yes - there are some universal moral rules that are common to human beings and are independent of the government or whoever is in power. These are violence, disrespecting/humiliating other human beings (as in forcing people to do certain things, depriving them of dignity or human rights, objectifying women, etc). These things are decided by the fact that human beings have an imprinted moral element in them, and are universal.
Yes, I do respect your opinions, but I don't agree with them. However, I realize that not agreeing with you sometimes insults you (that I think again is a sign of insecurity). |
One more question:shouldn't you have written the second and third paragraphs just after saying "there's really no way we can communicate."
Have I said anything going against the following values?
And which of these values should make me come out of my love for my country, for my flag, and anything I wish. They are the values I am defending strictly.
"These are violence, disrespecting/humiliating other human beings (as in forcing people to do certain things, depriving them of dignity or human rights, objectifying women, etc)." As for the last part of your post, I am not the one who locks any thread whenever she likes.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:50 pm |
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Quoting uYkuSuz: Quoting Trudy: Quoting uYkuSuz: yes that's why i dont want any foreigners to talk about this subject. Cause you cant understand us. |
If people can't react to items YOU think they are unfamiliair with, we might as well close down this forum and go back to where we all are / came from without looking across the border (literally or in a matter of speach) ever again.
Second, maybe people DO understand you better than you think but it does not mean they have to agree with you. |
there is only one truth.
maybe i m right maybe i m wrong. But if the people do not know enough information about what they re talkin about. How can we discuss about it ? how can they think they are right ? ? |
maybe if people gave information rather than assuming we are criticising or insulting them we would have more information to form a judgement.as yet i havent made a judgement..
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:51 pm |
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Quoting uYkuSuz: Quoting Trudy: Quoting uYkuSuz: yes that's why i dont want any foreigners to talk about this subject. Cause you cant understand us. |
If people can't react to items YOU think they are unfamiliair with, we might as well close down this forum and go back to where we all are / came from without looking across the border (literally or in a matter of speach) ever again.
Second, maybe people DO understand you better than you think but it does not mean they have to agree with you. |
there is only one truth.
maybe i m right maybe i m wrong. But if the people do not know enough information about what they re talkin about. How can we discuss about it ? how can they think they are right ? ? |
O no, the truth always has three versions - my deseased father told me - yours, mine and the real one.
And if they know not enough by now, well maybe people will learn by discussing, changing their point of view by reading those from other persons. At least, I do, I can admit I'm wrong. Can you too?
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:52 pm |
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Quoting Trudy: Quoting uYkuSuz: Quoting Trudy: Quoting uYkuSuz: yes that's why i dont want any foreigners to talk about this subject. Cause you cant understand us. |
If people can't react to items YOU think they are unfamiliair with, we might as well close down this forum and go back to where we all are / came from without looking across the border (literally or in a matter of speach) ever again.
Second, maybe people DO understand you better than you think but it does not mean they have to agree with you. |
there is only one truth.
maybe i m right maybe i m wrong. But if the people do not know enough information about what they re talkin about. How can we discuss about it ? how can they think they are right ? ? |
O no, the truth always has three versions - my deseased father told me - yours, mine and the real one.
And if they know not enough by now, well maybe people will learn by discussing, changing their point of view by reading those from other persons. At least, I do, I can admit I'm wrong. Can you too? |
+1
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:54 pm |
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Quoting robyn  :
yes but we can't learn anything when people are on the defensive thinking we are insulting when we are merely asking for information.. |
That was exactly my answer Robyn  The fact that this is happening is why discussions go over and over again because they are never possible and end up the way you mentioned.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:56 pm |
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Quoting uYkuSuz: But if the people do not know enough information about what they re talkin about. How can we discuss about it ? how can they think they are right ? ? |
Then how did you get your information? İf, according to you, you are not allowed to ask around and discuss to gather information, hence form an opinion?
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:59 pm |
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I am offering a-ten-minute cease-fire. The thread has turned out be a battle area in which stray bullets are flying. Let's just take a deep breath.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 09:02 pm |
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Quoting qdemir: I am offering a-ten-minute cease-fire. The thread has turned out be a battle area in which stray bullets are flying. Let's just take a deep breath. |
a deep breath.some people need a reality check.they do not rule the news articles,events and announcements forums or any other forum as far as i'm aware.from now on i don't think i will bother asking for information from people but i will post some more news articles.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 09:02 pm |
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Quoting qdemir: I am offering a-ten-minute cease-fire. The thread has turned out be a battle area in which stray bullets are flying. Let's just take a deep breath. |
I hope you are not referring to my posts because I was just trying to stop the bullets and my question to uYkuSuz was a sincere one. I just wonder how he thinks you can get information if you cant talk about it.
I dont have 10 minutes right now but its a good sollution 
Have a good night, everybody.
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