femme_fatal,

Thank you for enlightening me,that was very thoughtful of you .

And among the words that i should know its diffences ,is insult.
There is much difference between insult and attack.
İ don't need to wait to be insulted so then i consider this attack!
As i see,and from my point of view,attacking is a wide word contains disapproval and criticism too.

And if you didn't see those in this thread,so i'm sorry,i cann't do anything about it,but i did see it.

Maybe because me too,is some emotional,proud,brain washed Eastern !

False propaganda,brainwashed ,illusion ??!!!

İ'm sorry,but i really don't know what you are talking about.

15,20 years ago,i would have agreed with you on such terms,but now ?!!!

The only illusion exist in any country,is the one man doing for himself.

İf you have false propaganda,there are always satellites,Net,lots and many things would make you contact to the outside world.

İf you chose not,then its your own fault.
The world had become a small vellage,who want can know what is going in the other side,not to mention what is going inside too.

But note that,i said who wants.

And i adviced Turks of what ?!
İf you read my post,you can see exactly what i said.

But coming to that,first,i don't think Turk need any advice,because they have eyes,ears,brains just like others,and can see ,read and learn from their experinces and from others too,and decide what is good for them better than anyone else.

Second,yes,i really hope from my heart they don't lose their traditions,and customs too.

İf you follow what is happening in other West communities,you would understand what is the importance of traditions.

Of course there would be some re-evaluation to them,and only Turks can do it,not have it made for them!

And at the end,coming to the brain washed part,you know a TV news channel called Al-Gizera ?
Of course you must know it.
This channel has extended its waves,or whatever they call it,so it can reach till the USA,and they can watch it there.

You want to guess what have USA done ?

Now,talk about Eastern brain washing !

i think some of friends thinking theirself very intellectual with their rich book collection???but i saw main of em who has a very shallow life perspective back of crowdede books...you can read many books,but thats not easy to get whats goin life with the words of others,so its better to catch realities with ur own without reading any line..

canli, we are talking about turkey not usa and right now i dont wanna talk of usa and al-jazira (btw, congratulations on its extension!). it ll be sort of a off topic, some people hate off topics.
its my personal conclusion that when u release urself from the jail of traditions and start breathing fully with your lungs u become healthier, the air freshens up your blood circullation and bring more oxygen to your brain but when you are overloaded with all the customs and tradiotions you simply cant freely go ahead. have u seen those who lack the air? they say it became darker in their eyes.
probably the tradition makes you feel safe, your ancestors lived with it and you also live within the scheme. nothing new, no change, no innovation, no searching for new styles.

talking about the western countries that lost their traditions, it is very simple, since western countries hosted many many other nationalities, it became multi-cultural, it became impossible to keep people to the local traditions, so they got mixed up. actually, western slowly becomes eastern due to the strong traditional eastern immigrants.

hey, canli, thank you very much for your compliments.

Ok femme,
3 things here,

First,talking about USA,was same as this topic of the thread,but even deeper.
At least Türkiye got a law about it,but USA is preventing from hearing others point of view other than its own
So much for a democratic country , huh ?

Second,why you're feeling traditions and customs is like a jail ?
Why don't you see them as something coming from your own believes too,therefor,you can breath fresh air inside them too.
İts not a matter of being safe inside them,its a matter of organizing,system we believe in.
İf you are thinking this way,then that goes for all rules too which is rulling the countries.
Because traditions are just unwritten rules,an laws.
So if you want to free yourself from the rules dear,the world will become a jungle.

And that is one of the reasons USA and UK calaiming not drawing back from İraq,because there its like a jungle

All leads to everything dear,as i said before,it become a small vellage.

Third,i don't agree with you about the reason that the Western countries losing their traditions is the immigration of peoples from other countries.
Of course immigration has a big effect,but have a great effect in adding to traditions,not in lose them.
And if you watch the American society,it contains lots of nationalities,Chines,İtalians,Easterns,and all are keeping their traditions.
Except the Westerns,because they lost it,the reason ?
İ don't know,but i guess it was some thought same as you say,to breath fresh air !

And thx about your congrates,although its not mine,its arabian channel,i'm Egyptian

Btw,where are you from ?