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what is the opinion on this??
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 11:08 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: So isn't it part of loving your country to explain your view to those people ?
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+1.........
So many people here, including myself, say, ask, mention things, just because they want to learn, not to insult! One would have to have a very sick mind to come and ask those things just to bug and annoy or insult other people.
Please, please read posts twice before you draw any conclusions or feel attacked. Share your opinion, not in a defensive way. Someone mentioned googling for information here, that's one way to find information, that's true. But can't you see that a lot of people prefer to hear from people they 'know', even if it's only virtually?
Turkish history is such a rich, complicated history. You can't possibly blame foreign people for asking things, can you?? Some questions may seem naive to natives, but believe me, I think I can safely say that the majority here is nothing but eager to learn.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 11:09 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting uYkuSuz: there is only one truth.
maybe i m right maybe i m wrong. But if the people do not know enough information about what they re talkin about. How can we discuss about it ? how can they think they are right ? ? |
Because through discussion comes education. And people are more open to foreign ideas through discussion then confrontation... |
keith,
a very excellent point! however i would recommend some people to get at least a bit of idea before entering the discussion.
cheers.
ps. this is very odd that i support deli_kizin sometimes!
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 11:10 pm |
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I agree with Elisa on her point. But I think some here are critical about Turkey's position on these matters.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 11:13 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal:
canli, you advise turks not to change? to stick to the old feudalistic customs and traditions? very odd! very unwise!
the person who doesnt interact, communicate or learn from others becomes a complete idiot whos very limited and awkward in relationships. it is the same with a nation (any nation, dont wanna give a reason to turks to use this as an attack as usual). the more you are closed and isolated and stuck with your own behavour the more emotional and social cripple you are! |
may i ask you a question?
have you ever been to Turkey?
and what do you really know about this country?
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 11:19 pm |
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Quote: canli, you advise turks not to change? to stick to the old feudalistic customs and traditions? very odd! very unwise!
the person who doesnt interact, communicate or learn from others becomes a complete idiot whos very limited and awkward in relationships. it is the same with a nation (any nation, dont wanna give a reason to turks to use this as an attack as usual). the more you are closed and isolated and stuck with your own behavour the more emotional and social cripple you are! |
femme_fatal, it is very kind and thoughtful of you!!!
If you dont mind, where are you from in the east?
and why are you so concerned with our problems you have mentioned above?
Thank you for your kind comment and concern.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 11:21 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting KeithL: Quoting uYkuSuz: there is only one truth.
maybe i m right maybe i m wrong. But if the people do not know enough information about what they re talkin about. How can we discuss about it ? how can they think they are right ? ? |
Because through discussion comes education. And people are more open to foreign ideas through discussion then confrontation... |
keith,
a very excellent point! however i would recommend some people to get at least a bit of idea before entering the discussion.
cheers.
ps. this is very odd that i support deli_kizin sometimes! |
exactly. Some people here like trudy are supporting an idea. They dont know what they are talkin about. They deny to search so they deny to learn. They are not asking questions to us to learn something about our ideas or Turkish people's ideas.( coz they know everything and our ideas about ipek calislar and ataturk ) They are just telling that they are right and turkey has to be changed. They are just judjing and telling us what we like what we think..so how can we discuss ??
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 11:32 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting femme_fatal:
canli, you advise turks not to change? to stick to the old feudalistic customs and traditions? very odd! very unwise!
the person who doesnt interact, communicate or learn from others becomes a complete idiot whos very limited and awkward in relationships. it is the same with a nation (any nation, dont wanna give a reason to turks to use this as an attack as usual). the more you are closed and isolated and stuck with your own behavour the more emotional and social cripple you are! |
may i ask you a question?
have you ever been to Turkey?
and what do you really know about this country? |
never been to! then what? does it change anything?
never seen pharaos as well, but im fond of the history of egypt! i do read as well about the history of mongols and never been to mongolia. have i not right to speak about these issues? im not claiming i know everything, but i wouldnt join if i had no idea on the cultural, historical and religious topics.
why does my participation in this forum bother? why do take a defensive position all the time? why do u defend? it shows that u have things to hide and defend otherwise you would not bother yourself coming and argueing.
aha, i know, if i praise turks and tell that they absolute ideals, then your reaction would be different. why do you prefer a lie to the healthy criticism?
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 11:33 pm |
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Quoting uYkuSuz: exactly. Some people here like trudy are supporting an idea. They dont know what they are talkin about. They deny to search so they deny to learn. They are not asking questions to us to learn something about our ideas or Turkish people's ideas.( coz they know everything and our ideas about ipek calislar and ataturk ) They are just telling that they are right and turkey has to be changed. They are just judjing and telling us what we like what we think..so how can we discuss ?? |
You're right. With a person who deliberately writes nonsense about other forum members I cannot discuss.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 11:37 pm |
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Quoting qdemir: Quote: canli, you advise turks not to change? to stick to the old feudalistic customs and traditions? very odd! very unwise!
the person who doesnt interact, communicate or learn from others becomes a complete idiot whos very limited and awkward in relationships. it is the same with a nation (any nation, dont wanna give a reason to turks to use this as an attack as usual). the more you are closed and isolated and stuck with your own behavour the more emotional and social cripple you are! |
femme_fatal, it is very kind and thoughtful of you!!!
If you dont mind, where are you from in the east?
and why are you so concerned with our problems you have mentioned above?
Thank you for your kind comment and concern. |
you are very welcome qdemir!
dont hesitate asking for more help or advise. i ll come and solve your problems. 
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 11:40 pm |
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Quote: femme_fatal, it is very kind and thoughtful of you!!!
If you dont mind, where are you from in the east?
and why are you so concerned with our problems you have mentioned above?
Thank you for your kind comment and concern. |
Quote: you are very welcome qdemir!
dont hesitate asking for more help or advise. i ll come and solve your problems. |
You are acting what? You must have got what I meant
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 11:43 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting femme_fatal:
canli, you advise turks not to change? to stick to the old feudalistic customs and traditions? very odd! very unwise!
the person who doesnt interact, communicate or learn from others becomes a complete idiot whos very limited and awkward in relationships. it is the same with a nation (any nation, dont wanna give a reason to turks to use this as an attack as usual). the more you are closed and isolated and stuck with your own behavour the more emotional and social cripple you are! |
may i ask you a question?
have you ever been to Turkey?
and what do you really know about this country? |
never been to! then what? does it change anything?
never seen pharaos as well, but im fond of the history of egypt! i do read as well about the history of mongols and never been to mongolia. have i not right to speak about these issues? im not claiming i know everything, but i wouldnt join if i had no idea on the cultural, historical and religious topics.
why does my participation in this forum bother? why do take a defensive position all the time? why do u defend? it shows that u have things to hide and defend otherwise you would not bother yourself coming and argueing.
aha, i know, if i praise turks and tell that they absolute ideals, then your reaction would be different. why do you prefer a lie to the healthy criticism? |
you are really so funny
who said that to you dont read and search about history or whatever you want to
but i see that as long as you search about history... you started to live with those things you read...
come to the world dear time is going on...
history is a part of life... but you cant live up to the history... as everything is changing...
i am not defending anything here dont worry... i just wondered...
may i ask you another question?
where are you from?
and another i hope i am not asking too much...
do you plan to visit Turkey?
i am asking because the tickets to time 1914-1918 are booked i am afraid...
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