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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:38 pm |
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Quoting uYkuSuz: yes that's why i dont want any foreigners to talk about this subject. Cause you cant understand us. |
If people can't react to items YOU think they are unfamiliair with, we might as well close down this forum and go back to where we all are / came from without looking across the border (literally or in a matter of speach) ever again.
Second, maybe people DO understand you better than you think but it does not mean they have to agree with you.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:38 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting SuiGeneris: it may seem like that from there... its a crime... but to be sentenced you have to have "offence" and "defence" sides... if nobody is getting offended... you wont get punished...
isnt it called democracy? |
No! Democracy is about electing an ordinary member of the public to represent YOU and YOUR country. If they do not do this job well, it is YOUR job to criticise them severely and, if necessary, insult them. If they are offended, so what? They are in a powerful position with huge responsibility. I certainly have NO misgivings about insulting Tony Blair for his decisions about Iraq, and happily insult him!!! Anyway, thanks for your clarification. |
The problem is here... who said that Turkey has democracy totally? lots of people can get angry on me about this but this is what it is... or which place on earth has that utopic thing?
let me ask you? did your insultings Tony Blair change anything? about iraq?
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:40 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: let me ask you? did your insultings Tony Blair change anything? about iraq? |
Yes! It means that this man will leave before the next General Elections and it means that NO OTHER Prime Minister will ever make decisions against his cabinet in such a way ever again.
And now I'm late hehe! Have a good evening everyone 
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:40 pm |
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Quoting qdemir: catwoman :  I would like to start with a smile. As far as I can see you haven't read what I was talking about properly, or have read not to understand my point of view, but just in order to ciritize me.
First, I wasnt talking about the article 301, Atatürk, or the person in question whom I dont know as I havent read that part on the thread. And I think there is nothing wrong with what you have said. I agree with you. I was just talking about a different issue. That's all.
As I have mentioned in my previous post, can you , for istance, discuss the holliness of cows with any İndian, or can you say "what stupid people you are". It is just an animal.
As for the following part in your post: "but when things that are universally considered to be wrong, come out of your religion or love for your country,"
Who identifies or decides on what is univarsal and what is not. Is it the one who has the power? And also why should I come out of my love for country,say, my flag. Which so-called universal value or truth should make me come out of my love for anyone or anything.
As for the religion part, my religion doesn't go against any truth. You will call me opinionated-minded. I am willing to inform you about my religion if you wish.
Finally as far as I can see you are talkig about respecting other's opinions. Do you think you do so for my opinions. One more question if you dont mind; do you think you appraise people or opinions about Turkey which are similar to yours. |
Qdemir, to me it's a sign of insecurity and lack of maturity if you start your post saying that my goal was not to understand you or to criticize you. Well, if that's the assumptions you start with, then there's really no way we can communicate.
Also, yes - there are some universal moral rules that are common to human beings and which are independent of the government or whoever is in power. These are violence, disrespecting/humiliating other human beings (as in forcing people to do certain things, depriving them of dignity or human rights, objectifying women, etc). These things are decided by the fact that human beings have an imprinted moral consciousness in them, which is universal.
Yes, I do respect your opinions, but I don't agree with them. However, I realize that not agreeing with you sometimes insults you (that I think again is a sign of insecurity).
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:41 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting SuiGeneris: it may seem like that from there... its a crime... but to be sentenced you have to have "offence" and "defence" sides... if nobody is getting offended... you wont get punished...
isnt it called democracy? |
No! Democracy is about electing an ordinary member of the public to represent YOU and YOUR country. If they do not do this job well, it is YOUR job to criticise them severely and, if necessary, insult them. If they are offended, so what? They are in a powerful position with huge responsibility. I certainly have NO misgivings about insulting Tony Blair for his decisions about Iraq, and happily insult him!!! Anyway, thanks for your clarification. |
The problem is here... who said that Turkey has democracy totally? lots of people can get angry on me about this but this is what it is... or which place on earth has that utopic thing?
let me ask you? did your insultings Tony Blair change anything? about iraq? |
no place on earth has complete democracy in the true sense of the word.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:41 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting SuiGeneris: it may seem like that from there... its a crime... but to be sentenced you have to have "offence" and "defence" sides... if nobody is getting offended... you wont get punished...
isnt it called democracy? |
No! Democracy is about electing an ordinary member of the public to represent YOU and YOUR country. If they do not do this job well, it is YOUR job to criticise them severely and, if necessary, insult them. If they are offended, so what? They are in a powerful position with huge responsibility. I certainly have NO misgivings about insulting Tony Blair for his decisions about Iraq, and happily insult him!!! Anyway, thanks for your clarification. |
The problem is here... who said that Turkey has democracy totally? lots of people can get angry on me about this but this is what it is... or which place on earth has that utopic thing?
let me ask you? did your insultings Tony Blair change anything? about iraq? |
no place on earth has complete democracy in the true sense of the word.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:42 pm |
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Quoting robyn  :
uykusuz.please refrain from asking people not to post things that you dont agree with.like i said in reply to your private messages.this forum is for posting news articles,events and announcements.that is what was done,i asked people's opinions on this because i wanted to know what turkish people thought about article 301.not because i have a problem with it or anything like that.you are being very defensive about a subject that you need not be defensive about |
if i need news i can enter that website. You make this forum something like chat room ( btw congrulations 750 posts in few days ) Think about it every member post news from cnn turk / bbc turk / reuters turk / allaboutturkey / turkishnews. etc. You posted 1 about turkish government other one is about cyprus.. so are you waiting for me to discuss about cyprus now ?.. time to time we are discussing about kurds / greeks / armenians / goverments etc... you can search it in forum. so why again and again ? .. are you enjoying ?
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:45 pm |
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Quoting uYkuSuz: Quoting robyn :
uykusuz.please refrain from asking people not to post things that you dont agree with.like i said in reply to your private messages.this forum is for posting news articles,events and announcements.that is what was done,i asked people's opinions on this because i wanted to know what turkish people thought about article 301.not because i have a problem with it or anything like that.you are being very defensive about a subject that you need not be defensive about |
if i need news i can enter that website. You make this forum something like chat room ( btw congrulations 750 posts in few days ) Think about it every member post news from cnn turk / bbc turk / reuters turk / allaboutturkey / turkishnews. etc. You posted 1 about turkish government other one is about cyprus.. so are you waiting for me to discuss about cyprus now ?.. time to time we are discussing about kurds / greeks / armenians / goverments etc... you can search it in forum. so why again and again ? .. are you enjoying ? |
again i will repeat what i said..this part of forums is specificaly for news articles.,events and announcements and yet again..i have been here more than a few days..
i am not rude to people here. n i understand about cyprus hence why i didnt ask people's opinions on this matter.there is no need for you to act so defensively because i was not insulting turkey in any of my posts.nor have i done such.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:46 pm |
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Quoting uYkuSuz: so why again and again ? |
Again and again because never a real discussion has been possible. Always one side gets offended and the other one tries to talk sense into that person. The topic gets put aside just for the sake of being right. We are discussing again and again and again till there is a healthy discussion of whichj after joining it we dont feel like we exhausted our speech needlessly but we feel like we learnt something new. Till that day I vote for more discussions about topics that seem to be undiscussable.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:47 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting uYkuSuz: so why again and again ? |
Again and again because never a real discussion has been possible. Always one side gets offended and the other one tries to talk sense into that person. The topic gets put aside just for the sake of being right. We are discussing again and again and again till there is a healthy discussion of whichj after joining it we dont feel like we exhausted our speech needlessly but we feel like we learnt something new. Till that day I vote for more discussions about topics that seem to be undiscussable. |
+1!
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 08:48 pm |
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Quoting Trudy: Quoting uYkuSuz: yes that's why i dont want any foreigners to talk about this subject. Cause you cant understand us. |
If people can't react to items YOU think they are unfamiliair with, we might as well close down this forum and go back to where we all are / came from without looking across the border (literally or in a matter of speach) ever again.
Second, maybe people DO understand you better than you think but it does not mean they have to agree with you. |
there is only one truth.
maybe i m right maybe i m wrong. But if the people do not know enough information about what they re talkin about. How can we discuss about it ? how can they think they are right ? ?
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