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what is the opinion on this??
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 12:56 pm |
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Quoting KeithL:
"I dont ask you to fight today, I ask you to die today..."
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What should he say ??
" dont die for our fight, let the rest of the world take our home " ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_War_of_Independence
Quoting KeithL:
Everyone should worry about the politics of their own country and not be critical of others.
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Yes so dont worry and dont talk about that sentence if you dont know the real meaning.
And interesting .. no one talks about the article 301 in France which is about accepting a lie ( http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/intro/index.html ) . All you can think is Turkey try to talk about the things that you're familiar. Try to judge them i m sure that they'd like to hear what you think.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 04:30 pm |
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Quoting uYkuSuz: All you can think is Turkey try to talk about the things that you're familiar. Try to judge them i m sure that they'd like to hear what you think. |
We are talking about Turkey because THIS is supposed to be a website about Turkey and Turkish language.
I keep hearing the comment from Turkish members "Don't talk about what you don't know". I find this comment arrogant and rude. These are the same members who freely discuss UK and USA as if they are authorities on the matters. I would like to see the reaction if we said the same thing to YOU.
What is wrong with exchanging views with courtesy and politeness? Are we not all entitled to voice our opinions anymore?
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 04:34 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting uYkuSuz: All you can think is Turkey try to talk about the things that you're familiar. Try to judge them i m sure that they'd like to hear what you think. |
We are talking about Turkey because THIS is supposed to be a website about Turkey and Turkish language.
I keep hearing the comment from Turkish members "Don't talk about what you don't know". I find this comment arrogant and rude. These are the same members who freely discuss UK and USA as if they are authorities on the matters. I would like to see the reaction if we said the same thing to YOU.
What is wrong with exchange views with courtesy and politeness? Are we not all entitled to voice our opinions anymore? |
exactly my thoughts,.
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 05:00 pm |
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Quoting uYkuSuz: Quoting KeithL:
'I dont ask you to fight today, I ask you to die today...'
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What should he say ??
' dont die for our fight, let the rest of the world take our home ' ???
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First of all, I think that you were unfair to KeithL. You attacked him, although he was the one to take the turkish side and ask from the rest of us not to judge it's political system before trying to understand it.
As for the quote, it was mentioned(according to me) to show the 'glory' of Attaturk's speaches and the oddity of his ruling.
Moreover, I really don't understand why all this hostility occurs, as soon as someone dares to mention or critisize your justice and political system, or your religion. We are not attacking you for Heaven's sake. We are trying to learn and understand. It's obvious that we have difficulties understanding the way your society functions, as we come from different countries and cultures.
What I have noticed, is that when such a subject arises, 90% of the turkish members start swearing, threatening and insulting those who don't agree with them and the other 10% is trying to calm the spirits down and actually turn the topic to a different irrelevant direction.
We are all talking about democracy here, but very few of us know how to practice it, not as a nation, but not even as individuals  .
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 05:03 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting uYkuSuz: These are the same members who freely discuss UK and USA as if they are authorities on the matters. I would like to see the reaction if we said the same thing to YOU.
What is wrong with exchanging views with courtesy and politeness? Are we not all entitled to voice our opinions anymore?
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its none of america's or Uk's business if there is article 301 in Turkey. From the link she gave you cant find any word like UK or america. so let us tell you the truth.
and i quoted it from keith and that was my answer for him.i dont mean to be rude to him. That is just my answer and i didnt mean anything bad. and i didnt say anything to you.what did i ask to you and you re answering me ?
btw i respect every idea if its not about judging turkey. and i never talk about the things that i m not sure or i have no idea
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 05:06 pm |
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Quoting uYkuSuz: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting uYkuSuz: These are the same members who freely discuss UK and USA as if they are authorities on the matters. I would like to see the reaction if we said the same thing to YOU.
What is wrong with exchanging views with courtesy and politeness? Are we not all entitled to voice our opinions anymore?
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its none of america's or Uk's business if there is article 301 in Turkey. From the link she gave you cant find any word like UK or america. so let us tell you the truth.
and i quoted it from keith and that was my answer for him.i didnt say anything to you.what did i ask to you and you re answering me ?
btw i respect every idea if its not about judging turkey. |
i wasnt judging turkey.just asking peoples opinions.i think u misunderstood the reason for my post,because i wasnt criticising the existence or non existence of article 301.i just posted a news article to ask peoples opinions.what i wanted was people with knowledge about the situation to give me more information really.again, it wasn't to make a judgement on turkey or its articles,rules human rights,or views on any other issue.. |
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 05:14 pm |
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Quoting uYkuSuz: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting uYkuSuz: These are the same members who freely discuss UK and USA as if they are authorities on the matters. I would like to see the reaction if we said the same thing to YOU.
What is wrong with exchanging views with courtesy and politeness? Are we not all entitled to voice our opinions anymore?
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its none of america's or Uk's business if there is article 301 in Turkey. From the link she gave you cant find any word like UK or america. so let us tell you the truth.
and i quoted it from keith and that was my answer for himi dont mean to be rude to him. That is just my answer and i didnt mean anything bad and i didnt say anything to you.what did i ask to you and you re answering me ?
btw i respect every idea if its not about judging turkey. |
there is no reason to discuss any subject here coz there are some members who are rude,strict and aggressive when we turkish here start to say good things about turkish...and also admin likes stopping a bout a subject if she is not agree with Turkish ppl here.You can see it in forum subject ''important'' and '' Turkey in EU''..
it is so strange,if they are against to TR,there are man web site ,then they can join them...best regards
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 05:20 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting uYkuSuz: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting uYkuSuz: These are the same members who freely discuss UK and USA as if they are authorities on the matters. I would like to see the reaction if we said the same thing to YOU.
What is wrong with exchanging views with courtesy and politeness? Are we not all entitled to voice our opinions anymore?
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its none of america's or Uk's business if there is article 301 in Turkey. From the link she gave you cant find any word like UK or america. so let us tell you the truth.
and i quoted it from keith and that was my answer for himi dont mean to be rude to him. That is just my answer and i didnt mean anything bad and i didnt say anything to you.what did i ask to you and you re answering me ?
btw i respect every idea if its not about judging turkey. |
there is no reason to discuss any subject here coz there are some members who are rude,strict and aggressive when we turkish here start to say good things about turkish...and also admin likes stopping a bout a subject if she is not agree with Turkish ppl here.You can see it in forum subject ''important'' and '' Turkey in EU''..
it is so strange,if they are against to TR,there are man web site ,then they can join them...best regards |
Well actually I love Turkey, but maybe you are right. I will leave all discussions to Turkish members only. I have been told to shut up once too often lately. 
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 05:21 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting uYkuSuz: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting uYkuSuz: These are the same members who freely discuss UK and USA as if they are authorities on the matters. I would like to see the reaction if we said the same thing to YOU.
What is wrong with exchanging views with courtesy and politeness? Are we not all entitled to voice our opinions anymore?
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its none of america's or Uk's business if there is article 301 in Turkey. From the link she gave you cant find any word like UK or america. so let us tell you the truth.
and i quoted it from keith and that was my answer for himi dont mean to be rude to him. That is just my answer and i didnt mean anything bad and i didnt say anything to you.what did i ask to you and you re answering me ?
btw i respect every idea if its not about judging turkey. |
there is no reason to discuss any subject here coz there are some members who are rude,strict and aggressive when we turkish here start to say good things about turkish...and also admin likes stopping a bout a subject if she is not agree with Turkish ppl here.You can see it in forum subject ''important'' and '' Turkey in EU''..
it is so strange,if they are against to TR,there are man web site ,then they can join them...best regards |
Well actually I love Turkey, but maybe you are right. I will leave all discussions to Turkish members only. I have been told to shut up once to often lately. |
that wasn't what lapin was saying..he was saying if they are against turkey why do they not join another website..
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 05:24 pm |
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Quote:
there is no reason to discuss any subject here coz there are some members who are rude,strict and aggressive when we turkish here start to say good things about turkish...and also admin likes stopping a bout a subject if she is not agree with Turkish ppl here.You can see it in forum subject ''important'' and '' Turkey in EU''..
it is so strange,if they are against to TR,there are man web site ,then they can join them...best regards |
I didnt mean u
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21 Dec 2006 Thu 05:32 pm |
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I'm not telling any person on this website that they are wrong (at least not on this topic).
I am just trying to point out that every country that claims to have free speech, have taboo subjects that do apply.
In Turkey, this subject is Ataturk. And for a foreigner, unless you have educated yourself on the end of the Osmans, WWI, the War of Independence, and then on Mustafa Kemal himself as a man and a leader before he became Ataturk, I can see why it might be difficult to understand the strong feelings the nation has for this man.
But again, I can find instances in other countries where free speech is not absolute.
In the US, flag burning raises anger as much as any issue I can think of.
In Germany, it is against the law to display the swastika.
In all of Europe, it is against the law to minimize the holocaust.
These are all actions that take away from ones right of absolute free speech. But, maybe sometimes, in certain circumstances, these exceptions from free speech are justified.
In Turkey, I believe this to be the case with Ataturk.
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