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ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)
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20.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 06:54 am

Quoting thehandsom:

This vow (Andımız) should be abolished..
It is quite embarressing!!


lol lol lol

21.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 06:54 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

I agree. Or at least it should be modified and presented less frequent. What's wrong with just saying it at the start of a new schoolyear. Or each semester if you really can't help it.


OMG, lmao lol lol lol

22.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 06:56 am

I think it should be explained here for some people that Turkish students say this every day in school in the mornings.

23.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 06:57 am

Quoting vineyards:

Today, happiness is the most sought after asset.


It has always been the most sought after asset, but only for a select group of people, most others couldn't even dream about it. They had to perform their duty, had no other chance.

24.       azizehannah
220 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:06 am

its normal. hahahaha.
we also have it. i`m in 2nd year high school now
and we still say it.
we say it with our right hands raised.
hahahahaha.

25.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 08:49 am

Quoting catwoman:

I think it should be explained here for some people that Turkish students say this every day in school in the mornings.


I assumed all countries had something similar. In the US, school children recite the “Pledge of Allegiance”…..

'I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.'

The pledge was banned in several western states (under the jurisdiction of the Circuit Court that made the ruling) a few years back due to a lawsuit brought on by an atheist who argued that the line “under God” violated the separation of Church and State. He stated that the pledge violated his daughter’s rights because even though it is not mandatory to participate, his child had to listen to it being recited.
The suit went all the way to the US Supreme Court and was dismissed when the court ruled that the father did not have legal standing to sue on his child’s behalf because of a custody agreement with the child’s mother.



26.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 08:53 am

Quoting girleegirl:

I assumed all countries had something similar. In the US, school children recite the “Pledge of Allegiance”…..


Do they recite this every day? And is it just this one sentence?

27.       janissary
0 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:35 am

Quoting thehandsom:

This vow (Andımız) should be abolished..
It is quite embarressing!!



I JUST SAY "YUH!". I didnt know u are against all of our national emotions. This site became really annoying. ı dont understand you, why u are looking for racism under this. is it racism to promise for working and studying for this country. if we abolish this vow, we will lose many things. THERE ARE MANY bad EXAMPLES OF THİS İN THE WORLD. Maybe we must do more than this vow coz we havent done anything when we compare with our ancestors. that s why we promised to work like they did. Im happy that most of turkish ppl dont think as u think. I condemn everybody who attack the values of a country.

NE MUTLU TÃœRKÃœM DİYENE.

28.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:51 am

I see nothing wrong about a vow like this at school, it is a matter of tradition so I don't think this is what makes nationalists. Some countries don't have vows like this and still there are nationalists.

I believe patriotism is a good thing - a vow doesn't teach it for sure, but gives a sense of belonging. I disagree with any kind of religious lines to be repeated, but if it's just a pledge to your country then what's wrong with it?

29.       kafesteki kus
0 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 11:52 am

Quoting Daydreamer:

I see nothing wrong about a vow like this at school, it is a matter of tradition so I don't think this is what makes nationalists. Some countries don't have vows like this and still there are nationalists.

I believe patriotism is a good thing - a vow doesn't teach it for sure, but gives a sense of belonging. I disagree with any kind of religious lines to be repeated, but if it's just a pledge to your country then what's wrong with it?


I agree,I also see nothing wrong with this kind of pledge expressing love and devotion to your homeland.A person without a sense of belonging,national identity is like a tree without roots.
Many countries survived the storms of history only because there were people who did not neglect and abandon their roots.Patriotism is not fashionable,probably nowadays but is something wrong with expressing love to your country and will for its improvement?
Is that nationalism?I do not think so.

30.       libralady
5152 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 12:18 pm

Quoting janissary:

This vow (Andımız) is read by all primary school students in every morning before lesson:


ANDIMIZ
"Türküm, doğruyum, çalışkanım,

İlkem; küçüklerimi korumak, büyüklerimi saymak, yurdumu, milletimi özümden çok sevmektir.

Ülküm; yükselmek, ileri gitmektir.

Ey Büyük Atatürk!

Açtığın yolda, gösterdiğin hedefe durmadan yürüyeceğime ant içerim.

Varlığım Türk varlığına armağan olsun.

Ne mutlu Türküm diyene!"


here is a video of students

My Webpage



I personally think it is narrow minded to start a thread like this and then not expect some negative response, then claim that the site is anti-Turkish values. but looking at most of the answers, people (non-Turks) are agreeing with you and see nothing wrong with it.

My view is that this sort of thing belongs with the Arc; why expose young children to this? It has reverberations of nationalism and nationalism breeds racism, hatred and violence. This sort of attitude is not good for tourism, a thriving, growing industry.

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