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80.       KeithL
1455 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:53 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

I am really begining to think that we have a mod with fachist ideas.. Because most fascists had this paranoia of 'communism creeping from the opposition'. They somehow think that every critisisim of state are done by communists only..
Well done admins!!



I believe in complete free speech. So if I am a fascist, I am a bad one...

81.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:57 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting thehandsom:


I am really begining to think that we have a mod with fachist ideas.. Because most fascists had this paranoia of 'communism creeping from the opposition'. They somehow think that every critisisim of state are done by communists only..
Well done admins!!



I'm German....it comes honestly enough


I dont believe genes carry fachism..
fachism comes with ideas like the desires of othoritarian state, powerful army, people sacrificing themselves etc..

82.       KeithL
1455 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 10:01 pm

Quoting thehandsom:


I dont believe genes carry fachism..
fachism comes with ideas like the desires of othoritarian state, powerful army, people sacrificing themselves etc..



And where would Istanbul and the Turks be today without a powerful army and without people willing to sacrafice?
If you would have been at Gelibolu, would you have run???
Are you turkish at all??

83.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 10:11 pm

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting thehandsom:


I dont believe genes carry fachism..
fachism comes with ideas like the desires of othoritarian state, powerful army, people sacrificing themselves etc..



And where would Istanbul and the Turks be today without a powerful army and without people willing to sacrafice?
If you would have been at Gelibolu, would you have run???
Are you turkish at all??


I would not run from gelibolu at all. My relatives died there and in the other wars (balkan wars) during that time..
And I am Turkish really and a real one..
And not a fascist one.
You simply dont get it..you simply dont know turkish politics.
You simply dont know turkey's recent history.
You simply have no idea how much we have been pushed back by the army's interventions.
And after all, despite the fact that what you dont know, you are simply playing very cheap arguments to a turk about turkish politics.. hahahaha

addition:
here is the Defining Characteristics Of Fascism:

http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

84.       Lapinkulta
0 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 11:26 pm

NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE...we turks dont care about uturkish youth will grow up with their heros...and every turkish children will be next heros if u like or not...gerisi yalan

85.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 11:31 pm

Quoting Lapinkulta:

we turks dont care about u



İşte o bir yalan If you really didnt care, then you wouldnt bother to reply at all And please speak for yourself, not all Turks think that way.

86.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 11:33 pm

Quoting KeithL:

We have rules in society. And procedures. And traditions. If you don't care to follow them, this is your choice. But insulting others for honoring tradition and rules is subversive.



Quoting KeithL:

I believe in complete free speech. So if I am a fascist, I am a bad one...



Keith, how do these two posts go together? You said that you believe in complete free speech, even if it makes you a fascist, but you condemn it when people express their disregard for national traditions?

87.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 11:37 pm

I believe in free speech...as long as it's my speech or as long as everyone agrees with me!!

88.       Lapinkulta
0 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 11:39 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting Lapinkulta:

we turks dont care about u



İşte o bir yalan If you really didnt care, then you wouldnt bother to reply at all And please speak for yourself, not all Turks think that way.



you all are here think like that very small minority...coz of u Many Turks are against EU.there is a proverb in Turkey : ''it ürür kervan yürür'' which means ''dogs bark,caravan goes on...'''


kisses u all...)))))))))

89.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 11:47 pm

Quoting Lapinkulta:

coz of u Many Turks are against EU.



Onlar kemalist değiller o zaman.. Because joining EU would be a crown to all that Atatürk has fought for: westernization!

90.       _Quetzalcoaltl_
0 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 11:59 pm

I wanna add smth to this subject:

"Türk'e kefen diken karşısında bizi bulur."

This student vow is our traditional features of Turkish educational system and applied in primary schools in order to strenghen the identites of the Turkish posterities. whether u like it or not, u have to show respect this tradition.

the most powerful states in the world are nationalist states. I lived in Paris and Marseille for a long time and observed that French people are very nationalistic, and they reject and ignore the people who are from different countries, and they believe that French nationalism help them to evaluate their identities as well.

Hence, nationalism is a necessity for the states to protect their ID's. Essentially, French Revolution in 1789 was occured in the centre of Europe, so what happened?

the nationalism style of Atatürk is very peaceful, creative, helpful, and innovative. Regardless the ethnic origin, if someone who likes his/her flag, country, culture, he/she's a Turk, that's all... Turks, Kurds, Cerkes, Laz, Armenians, Greeks in Turkey are all sisters and brothers and we live in Turkey peacefully, without any discriminative provocations. However, USA and EU makes agitations to divide the boundaries of Turkey with using ethnic identities in Turkey, and we are aware of these ambushes. (Real Turks must be aware of these kinda ambushes).

Whether u accept or dont accept, you must show your respects to our national identities. Turkey is belonged to Turks, that's all...

look what Atatürk's saying:

"Dünyanın bize hürmet etmesini istiyorsak evvela bu hürmeti, hissen, fiilen, fikren bütün hâl ve hareketlerimizle gösterelim. Bilelim ki milli benliğini bulmayan milletler, başka milletlerin esiridir."

22 March 1924.

any questions?

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