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40.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 02:45 pm

Quoting libralady:

I personally think it is narrow minded to start a thread like this and then not expect some negative response, then claim that the site is anti-Turkish values. but looking at most of the answers, people (non-Turks) are agreeing with you and see nothing wrong with it.

My view is that this sort of thing belongs with the Arc; why expose young children to this? It has reverberations of nationalism and nationalism breeds racism, hatred and violence. This sort of attitude is not good for tourism, a thriving, growing industry.


I completely agree with Libralady! but I also think Daydreamer is always right... which leaves me a bit confused... :-S lol

41.       libralady
5152 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 03:10 pm

Quoting janissary:

European ppl and even some tukish ppl who live in europe see turkish ppl ignorant. they look us from top. that s why they always give advices. they just talk and talk nothing else. We wont educate our children as u want. coz we see turkish children who educated in europe. I know all of you are very small minority, think like that. ur type of persons can say one day, this flag is old, we should find another new one. coz it wont mean anything to them. but it does too much us. being a part of this country is not easy. and we know this, we can give our life without any hesitate when needed.



You are wrong, I for one do not consider Turks to be ignorant, in fact far from it! It is quite offensive to even consider that. The ones I know are intellegent and knowledgeable. You have deliberately started this thread to try and antagonise and you are now taking your point to the edge of reason. And as for your flag - what is that about? Who would expect you to change your flag?

It is one thing to be patriotic, no harm in that; I am patriotic to my country, but you are verging on nationalism with your posts.

As I said, it is narrowminded and naive to start a thread like this and not expect critism.

42.       janissary
0 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 06:41 pm

I didnt want to start a discussion with this topic. IF TURKISH CLASS IS NOT A POLITICS AND RELIGION WEB SITE, ONE OF THE MOST SUITABLE POST IS THE ONES, GIVING KNOWLEDGES ABOUT TURKEY. Some members post politic things which show their views, but no body criticize it or say something wrong. We forgot that this class is a language class for along time.

This post is all about turkey and tukish culture. it s reality in turkey. it happens at schools every morning. I dont see anything wrong with this Andımız. I really didnt think it will take bad comments. it s just an innocent promise for students. why are u looking for racism under everything? being patriotic is bad ? Yes Im "narrow minded", maybe moderators must delete or close this topic. I wont say I wait respect from members coz I know members well now.

43.       KeithL
1455 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:04 pm

Quoting janissary:

I didnt want to start a discussion with this topic. IF TURKISH CLASS IS NOT A POLITICS AND RELIGION WEB SITE, ONE OF THE MOST SUITABLE POST IS THE ONES, GIVING KNOWLEDGES ABOUT TURKEY. Some members post politic things which show their views, but no body criticize it or say something wrong. We forgot that this class is a language class for along time.

This post is all about turkey and tukish culture. it s reality in turkey. it happens at schools every morning. I dont see anything wrong with this Andımız. I really didnt think it will take bad comments. it s just an innocent promise for students. why are u looking for racism under everything? being patriotic is bad ? Yes Im "narrow minded", maybe moderators must delete or close this topic. I wont say I wait respect from members coz I know members well now.



+1
All strong, modernized countries have a strong national identity. Anyone that can be "anti-Andımız" are capable of being anti-anything that is good in this world.

44.       gernas
58 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:15 pm

i am a teacher,
almost nobody (teachers, students) is happy with repeating this oath every morning...and i feel bad and stupid when i force kids line-up and repeat it every morning...more than 90% of the students just pretend, they playback! which means very few really feel sth. when they cry out (or pretend) the andimiz. though i know it will be hard for some to accept this bare truth!
and yes deli kizin, schools shouldnt be the place where nationalism is fed!
better if removed from practice!

45.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:23 pm

Quoting janissary:

I didnt want to start a discussion with this topic. IF TURKISH CLASS IS NOT A POLITICS AND RELIGION WEB SITE, ONE OF THE MOST SUITABLE POST IS THE ONES, GIVING KNOWLEDGES ABOUT TURKEY. Some members post politic things which show their views, but no body criticize it or say something wrong. We forgot that this class is a language class for along time.

This post is all about turkey and tukish culture. it s reality in turkey. it happens at schools every morning. I dont see anything wrong with this Andımız. I really didnt think it will take bad comments. it s just an innocent promise for students. why are u looking for racism under everything? being patriotic is bad ? Yes Im "narrow minded", maybe moderators must delete or close this topic. I wont say I wait respect from members coz I know members well now.


I already explained this is nothing to do with patriotism.
This is racism and also explained why it is racism above too..
And also explained why it is an insult to the people like kurds, or ermenians etc.
You are saying that it is reality..
well..You can be doing something for years and years..it does not change the fact that it has been ALL WRONG!!!
It is like being against honor killings.
honor killings have been in our culture for so long. But can you stick to it? will you say they are right?
will you say that it is our cultural asset?
NO
Basically racism MUST GO...

46.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:27 pm

Well, I am not Turkish, but I have raised my son to be proud to say the Pledge of Allegiance (US) in school. I would be really sad and hurt if it was decided not to say it in schools anymore. My father was in the US military along with my two brothers. My family sacrificed a lot for our country. I am very proud of that fact and I am glad when Americans are asked to remember that sacrifice. I don't think praising your country is necessarily racism but on the same hand, I don't think critisising your country means you don't love it. I can understand the great pride some of our Turkish members have in their country and I think its nice to see devotion to their heritage.

47.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:30 pm

Quoting KeithL:


+1
All strong, modernized countries have a strong national identity. Anyone that can be "anti-Andımız" are capable of being anti-anything that is good in this world.


-2
You have no idea what you are talking about (as usual)
And your knowledge about turkish politics and turkish culture are very limited.

We know that as a fact, all those intellects in turkey got killed by the people who memorized andimiz by heart and they all thought that they were saving Turkey..

I knew you were not a 'democrat', but with each post you are slipping to more and more right..lol

48.       janissary
0 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:41 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting KeithL:


+1
All strong, modernized countries have a strong national identity. Anyone that can be "anti-Andımız" are capable of being anti-anything that is good in this world.


-2
You have no idea what you are talking about (as usual)
We know that as a fact, all those intellects in turkey got killed by the people who memorized andimiz by heart and they all thought that they were saving Turkey..

I knew you were not a 'democrat', but with each post you are slipping to more and more right..lol



how do u know all these. how do u know that intellects killed by the people who memorized andimiz. do u have any proof? and how do u know who memorized it by heart? all of the turkish student know andimiz. so how do u know who memorized it by heart and who not? maybe the ppl who dont memorize it, killed them or have become an treacherous. I dont understand ho can u come to such a coclusion. these thinhgs like andimiz make us a country not apart us from each other. if a turkish citizen killed another turkish citizen, it will mean that he/she dont share common aims and he didnt memorize it by heart.

49.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:43 pm

do you want THE list of all intellects killed by the NATIONALISTS?

50.       janissary
0 posts
 01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:46 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

do you want THE list of all intellects killed by the NATIONALISTS?



why dont u give it to police if u have a list in ur hand? why are u just talking? and how do u know they memorize the andimiz by heart?

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