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Kicked out of Germany after honour killing
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07 Aug 2008 Thu 01:15 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Isnt it simply creating a class?
how good is it to send indians to the where british wouldnt like to go?  |
This is exactly my point!! 
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07 Aug 2008 Thu 01:20 pm |
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Daydreamer, those Indian Doctors you complain about are considered forgotten heroes and are said to have saved the NHS in the 1960s.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/timeshift/raj.shtml
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07 Aug 2008 Thu 01:26 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: I´m really sorry to hear you have to live in such a terrible and discriminatory country, Handsom.
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AE, you´re right about native English speakers being worst to force to learn a foreign language |
Thanks for the compassion (We, immigrants, need TLC from time to time too  )
AE is 100% right about the language issue of course. And to be honest, sometimes when I hear all these moans about ´immigrants not learning language enough or they are not good enough, they are not trying hard enough blahs´ I always think that there is this arrogance which in my view, coming from Europe´s colonialist times.
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07 Aug 2008 Thu 01:28 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: sometimes when I hear all these moans about ´immigrants not learning language enough or they are not good enough, they are not trying hard enough blahs´ I always think that there is this arrogance which in my view, coming from Europe´s colonialist times. |
+10000000
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07 Aug 2008 Thu 01:50 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Daydreamer: I´m really sorry to hear you have to live in such a terrible and discriminatory country, Handsom.
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AE, you´re right about native English speakers being worst to force to learn a foreign language |
Thanks for the compassion (We, immigrants, need TLC from time to time too )
AE is 100% right about the language issue of course. And to be honest, sometimes when I hear all these moans about ´immigrants not learning language enough or they are not good enough, they are not trying hard enough blahs´ I always think that there is this arrogance which in my view, coming from Europe´s colonialist times. |
I kinda have to disagree a bit about the coment of english speakers. we are not all the same. i learned english and i have to use it every day where i work. i am in another country not mine. i am learning 2 languages right now. its not easy but i do it. i am learning german becaus ei live in germany and i am learning turkish because there are so many turks here and also because i want to visit turkey one day and make many more turkish friends and enjoy everything with an understanding of what is going on/ being said around me. Generalizing that english speakers are stuck in a mind set from colonialistic times forcing others to learn english isnt entirely correct. i learned english because i knew it would get me places and it has.
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07 Aug 2008 Thu 01:59 pm |
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Quoting kashmir: I kinda have to disagree a bit about the coment of english speakers. we are not all the same. i learned english and i have to use it every day where i work. i am in another country not mine. i am learning 2 languages right now. its not easy but i do it. i am learning german becaus ei live in germany and i am learning turkish because there are so many turks here and also because i want to visit turkey one day and make many more turkish friends and enjoy everything with an understanding of what is going on/ being said around me. Generalizing that english speakers are stuck in a mind set from colonialistic times forcing others to learn english isnt entirely correct. i learned english because i knew it would get me places and it has. |
Handsom´s (and my) comment was about English people NOT always learning the languages of the countries they live in, and yet complaining that immgrants to England do not. There are of course exceptions in EVERY case!
Your language abilities are very admirable, but as you are not English, I can´t really see your point? 
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07 Aug 2008 Thu 02:17 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting libralady: In response to the initial post, I have first hand anecdotal experience about Turks in Germany from an organisation in Hamburg who have put programmes into place to assist Turks who live there, whom I have worked with.
Now who´s responsibility is it to ensure that Turks learn German? Considering these Turks were invited to Germany in the 1960 to perfom jobs that most Germans would not do, then surely it is the responsibility of the German government to ensure that these people have access to German classes and they have assistance to integrate.
Now you have 2nd and 3rd generation Turks, some of whom have very low levels of education. This does not mean they are thick. It is more to do with the fact that their parents have not learned German properly. They go to school with little or no German and therefore their education suffers because of it. Hence they cannot get into the jobs that they are probably capable of doing.
The language spoken in the home by the now 2nd and 3rd generation Turks, is known as "kitchen language" in Germany. In other words they can only speak a bit of German and they can´t speak Turkish properly either. So their conversation is limited to "kitchen conversations" causing their language skills and education levels to become lower.
That is why they adopt the enclave way of living, retaining their culture and their language.
The organisation in Hamburg has assisted many Turks through support (like a job centre) to learn German, get into decent jobs or start their own businesses and there are some very successful stories to come from this. But funds are limited with the funding for this project coming from European Social Fund.
It is OK for us to say they should get up of their arses and do something for themselves, well many have tried - some have succeeded and others have failed. |
Can I kiss you for this LL?
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First of all the immigration:
Western countries can stop immigration if they really want to.
But have you ever thought why they are not stopping it?
Do you think they are allowing people to come into their countries from the humanitarian perspective only?
The answer is " A HUGE NO "..
Because Western countries need them.
The low-salary workforce has always been the economical backbone of the growth, since some one needs to do the dirty work.
They are needed to sustain the level of eceonomy and free up the resources for growth.
In the U.S. or in the EU, lowly-paid service works are carried out by immigrants from less developed countries.
If the immigrants were not there, it would be a waste of time and money to assign educated people on labor-intensive works.
And, please, nobody should come up with idea that ´they are sucking up the benefits, they are using the things government is providing, they are making natives unemployed etc etc´.
In generic terms, each immigrant person contributes the economy more than he/she consumes.
And about the Germans and Turks..
I am sorry but they did not go there on the back of the lorry.. They were left with drums and clarions from Turkey and welcomed in Germany with the bands.
They were INVITED.
But, now of course two germany combined into one, the employment is in a shagging situation and some people turn around and think ´what are these Turks doing here?´
Sorry, but it is quite low level of morality.
Same thing applies to other western countries as well..Not only germany!!
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You have won the suprise prize! Not sure what it is yet but you are the first person in my 2 1/2 years on this site that has offered to kiss me for a post! WOW
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07 Aug 2008 Thu 02:29 pm |
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Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: Daydreamer, those Indian Doctors you complain about are considered forgotten heroes and are said to have saved the NHS in the 1960s.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/timeshift/raj.shtml
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Sweetie, I am not complaining about them, I just gave them as an example of well-educated immigrants who were not denied a job because of their roots. I don´t know about the situation in UK but here, in Ireland, there´s make most of specialists (GPs are usually Irish). I doubt that Ireland encouraged them to come in the 60s. Even if it did, they´d have nothing much to expect here then. Also I wouldn´t say they work where Irish doctors wouldn´t like to work - perhaps it´s different in the UK.
I just hate it when people always blame everybody else but themselves for their failures. If you had as much contact with immigrants as I do, you´d understand what I´m talking about.
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07 Aug 2008 Thu 03:18 pm |
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Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: All your posts complaining about immigrants not learning to speak English AMAZE ME!
Don´t you know that English speaking countries are the worst when it comes to learning languages - even when they reside in that said country?
A great example is in the link attached about Americans living in Mexico. I could find thousands of similar examples regarding English people in Spain.
Stop being so hypocritical!
http://www.expatfocus.com/whats-wrong-with-us-in-mexico
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This has nothing to do with the topic. It is not about being hypocritical, the Americans in Mexico will be brushed with the same brush. Do you know that you are comparing apples to oranges?
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07 Aug 2008 Thu 03:23 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: This has nothing to do with the topic. It is not about being hypocritical, the Americans in Mexico will be brushed with the same brush. Do you know that you are comparing apples to oranges? |
I fail to see how this has nothing to do with the topic being discussed - which was that immigrants should learn the language of that country and integrate more. Why is my example of Americans and English any different?
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07 Aug 2008 Thu 03:46 pm |
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Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: All your posts complaining about immigrants not learning to speak English AMAZE ME!
Don´t you know that English speaking countries are the worst when it comes to learning languages - even when they reside in that said country?
A great example is in the link attached about Americans living in Mexico. I could find thousands of similar examples regarding English people in Spain.
Stop being so hypocritical!
http://www.expatfocus.com/whats-wrong-with-us-in-mexico
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As far as Americans living in Mexico..I wonder how many Americans go abroad to live in Mexico every year. I don´t think you can use this as a comparison to how many immigrants come into this country. 
Also, in our school systems you are required to take 2 years of a foreign language and now even in first grade their starting to teach Spanish. So there is some effort here to be diversified in our public school system.
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