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Thread: prison

231.       erdinc
2151 posts
 18 Oct 2006 Wed 07:26 pm

I'm not a lawyer and I don't have a job involved in this issue. I'm just a teacher who has an average knowledge about our law system. These are the things that I know about this topic:

Pity and forgiveness are characteristics of our culture. The department of justice must be filled with people who represent our characteristics very well since they have lots of pity and foregiveness to the criminals.

According our "infaz kanunu" (execution law) when a person gets a prison sentence in Turkia the actual stay is 30% of the sentence. This applies to every person and to every crime. For example if somebody is sentenced 20 years in prison for a murder he will stay only 6 years. This has been the case for ages.

The reason for this 30% rule is that our prisons were getting full and the government thought this was a nice solution. We didn't have enough prisons and sentences were not tough enough so the prisons were getting full easily.

Of course, as you can imagine this reduction only encourages crime and makes the prisons even more occupied. After all, if a criminal is released so fast what will happen most likely is that he will return to prison for another crime.

"No problem" the government thought. They had found another solution. The solution was to let all prisoners go home. We call this "af kanunu" (foregiveness law). It is a nation wide discharge of all criminals. This happens every few years and they simply release all prisoners.

If I remember correctly the last general discharge was in 2002 and they released all prisoners including rapists and murderers.

In other words, the murderers who were sentenced to 20 years and were supposed to stay 6 years did not actually stay so long because of nation wide discharge. The rapists who were sentenced 4 years (the sentence for rape is between 2 to 7 years according our law) were supposed to stay 14 months.

There was a man who shut dead 7 university students. It was a long time ago and it was a political crime. I don't know how long his original sentence was but he was supposed to stay 70 years actual in prison. This never happened. The reason for this is that every few years we had those discharge laws. With every new discharge law his sentence got lower and lower. At the end it was 19.5 years that he should stay for killing 7 people. The man was released by miscalculation after 17 years.

It is worth pointing that our law system is not focused on economical sentences to economical crimes. This means people who have condemned for economical crimes worth million dollars get only a prison sentence most of the time. You know already by know what a prison sentence means. It is a joke.

A few years ago some bank owners decided to give away huge credits to their own firms which would never pay back the credits. At the end their banks got bunkrupt, their firms got rich and the money of the bank costumers vanished. The government was responsible to pay all the money back to account holders. At the end the crime was huge. It was something around 10 billion dollars I think. The bank ovners got away with this. Some of them stayed a year in prison.

From the above you have an idea how the system works or doesnt work but what is it being in the prison? It is basically a huge room full with beds for around 20 or 25 people. We call these prison cells "koğuş". The newcomers to the koğuş are supposed to serve tea to the boss. The bigger the crime the better credibility you have in there. If you are a murderer you will have more power in there. If you are a murderer and a leader of a gang of part of any organized crime there is a good chance you might be the boss of the cell.

The boss has the power. If any other prisoner doesn't respect this power he will just get killed in prison this time by professional murderers. This doesn't mean there are many murder cases in prisons. No there probably aren't because prisoners simply obey the power of the boss.

There is a huge problem with this system. When you put 25 people in the same room where they live, eat and cook together (all cells have a mini kitchen) than every sort of things can happen. 25 men in one room, would you like to be in this situation?

If I was a prisoner I would prefer being in a cell on my own. On the other hand this almost never happens because we don't have many modern prisons. The old fashioned ones were easier to build.

Because the prisons are supposed make the prisoner a better person when he leaves the Turkish stytem of imprisonment is totally wrong.

Usually what happens is that a person gets into prison for a minor crime and while in prisons he learns major crimes.

To put terorists into the same cell is obviously the worst thing that you can do but they did. At the end the terorists were teaching others how to make a bomb. The officials can never step inside the cells in old fashined prisons. The prisoners in cells have knives they have a gas tube which they turn into a weapon (the same as the fire machines America has used in Vietnam). Once they had to send the army to a prison who had to break down walls because the authority had lost control over the cells completely. They found dummy rifles made out of woods. The terorists were giving military training inside the cells with these toy rifles and they were teaching how to use other guns and how to make a bomb.

Basically the prisons are scary because anything can happen there to you and nobody will do anything about it.

You might be an ordinary citizen. One day you write a cheque and you don't check your bank balance and at the end you could end up in prison with 24 other criminaly including murderers, rapists, thieves etc. and then you make tea to those people.

Recently the government decided to build new prisons where the cells are much smaller. These have cells for one or two people. Interestingly there was huge opposition because the teror criminals think the authorities will harm them if they are not as a group in one cell.



Thread: Turkish Dictionary software

232.       erdinc
2151 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 10:03 pm

I have managed to download and run the version 0.2 without a problem. Last time with the previous version I had tremendous problems. I was very angry with it. Now it is much better. Here are my new suggestions:

1. Delete this thread. Completely remove it. Let us and newcomers forget about the past problems.

Installation was very good. I "did" see the next button and was very happy. But still it could be improved.

2. There is a button that could be easly dropped:
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8515/1mk9.jpg

3. There is another button that doesn't work as good as it could be:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2276/2aj8.jpg
It should work like this:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5395/3fq9.jpg

4. There is one unnecessary window during installation.
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9625/4px8.jpg

5. During the installation it could ask me what shortcut button I want to use.

6. After the installation the program should automatically run and show itself on systam tray.

7. When you see the program icon on system tray and you double click on it, nothing happens. Double click should open settings.

8. I don't think "alt + left click" is the best option for defalt settings. It intereferes with answers.com. Maybe "shift + left click" is better as default. But being able to make changes on this is very good.

edit:
It turns out "shift + left click" isn't a good idea. I use this frequently to open a link in new window so I can't use it as dictionary. Maybe "ctrl + left click" could be default.

9. when I use our dictionary in this website for instance I don't see anywhere any word about the software. It is on the main page http://www.turkishdictionary.net/ but people who use the dictionary rarely go to its main page. It should be mentioned on every results page.

10. when are you going to add sound to the dictionary?
On this page there is an example that we have come accross elsewhere before. Find the "bu haberi dinle" button. In fact you can listen to all their news articles.
http://www.sabah.com.tr/gnd98.html

11. The small window that opens doesn't impress me. I'm happier with the full pages that open when I double click on our forums.



Thread: istek kipi

233.       erdinc
2151 posts
 17 Oct 2006 Tue 03:31 pm

Elone's versions are correct.
Miss Ceyda, you are confusing imperative (emir kipi) with optative (istek kipi) in third person singular. Many sources mention the wrong versions. Check winmekmak. It has the correct version. I have updated that part on the program myself.

Elone,
I agree with you about this version below but I think the third person singular and plurals for istek kipi ("o gele", "onlar geleler") have become too uncommon. They only exist in sayings such as "gele gele", "gide gide". For instance, nowadays "kolay gele" is replaced with "kolay gelsin". I think both third persons are almost omited from language. Therefore I we have pointed to this detail when we updated winmekmak. Here is a screenshot:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6894/optativeni5.jpg

Quote:


in İSTEK KİPİ we add -e

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel-e-sin
>>o gel-e<<
biz gel-e-lim
siz gel-e-siniz
>>onlar gel-e-ler<<

in EMİR KİPİ there is no first person conjugation.

NOT AVAILABLE
sen gel
o gelsin
NOT AVAILABLE
siz gelin
onlar gelsinler



So, my version would be slightly different:

İSTEK KİPİ (optative mood)

ben gel-e-yim
sen gel-e-sin
NOT AVAILABLE
biz gel-e-lim
siz gel-e-siniz
NOT AVAILABLE

EMİR KİPİ (imperative)

NOT AVAILABLE
sen gel
o gelsin
NOT AVAILABLE
siz gelin
"onlar gelsinler" or "onlar gelsin" (both are possible)



Thread: Nobel price to Orhan Pamuk!!!

234.       erdinc
2151 posts
 14 Oct 2006 Sat 07:36 am

Somebody asked me for information on this issue.

Here is some information In English:
http://www.kultur.gov.tr/EN/BelgeGoster.aspx?17A16AE30572D313AAF6AA849816B2EF3754CB9777885187

There are original documents from 1914 to 1920 (the time referring to fictional Armenian claims) on the following website. This is the official website of deperatment of government archieves:
http://www.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/kitap/

There are 88 scanned copies of original documents in pdf format. On these documents local authorities are reporting the incidents to the government.

Here is an example of scanned copy:
http://www.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/kitap/resim/991/1.PDF

Here is the Turkish version and English version:
http://www.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/kitap/belge/991/1.PDF

Quote:


Massacre of prisoners and Muslim population in the
nighborhood of Kars and Ardahan.
The number of Muslims committed to the guards of Armenians and massacred by them after being inflicted physical pains upon and struck by the butt of rifles reached 30.000; the Armenians serving in the Ottoman army were deserting and deliberately surrendering to Russians to disclose informations about the said army; Armenians from the Caucasus were first allowing to be taken prisoners by the Ottomans and afterwards evading and delivering to the Russians the intelligence they gathered.
19 R. 1333 (6. III. 1915)



We have nothing to hide on this issue.



Thread: Nobel price to Orhan Pamuk!!!

235.       erdinc
2151 posts
 14 Oct 2006 Sat 03:17 am

Here is a small Turkish text for our learners to practice. Let's see if you can spot the words "award for ethical weakness" in Turkish. It is part of an article of the Hurriyet Newspaper.

Oktay EKŞİ

http://hurarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/goster/haber.aspx?id=5250333&yazarid=1

Quote:


Orhan Pamuk'un aldığı ödül evet çok önemlidir ama Pamuk'un bu ödülü almak için yaptığı "atraksiyon"ların unutulmadığı da bir gerçektir.
...
Orhan Pamuk'un bir romancı, bir edebiyatçı olarak değerini konunun uzmanları beyan etsinler. Sayın Pamuk'a Nobel ile birlikte ahlaki zafiyet ödülü de verilse iyi olurdu diye düşÃ¼nüyoruz.



Thread: Fasting

236.       erdinc
2151 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 06:44 am

The religious practice that is done as a show-off is worthless. Therefore any public aspect of any religion is not as important as what is inside the persons mind. Basically, religion is a personal thing and the more you try to make it public the more it will lose its essence and will turn into something else.

As we know there are many sick minded people and they do look for consolation in their tiny worlds.



Thread: Nobel price to Orhan Pamuk!!!

237.       erdinc
2151 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 06:30 am

The critical question is whether or not he would win the price if he hadn't been lying and supporting the political campain against Turkia. We both know the answer. This incident is just another example of the double facedness of European politics on Turkia.



Thread: Nobel price to Orhan Pamuk!!!

238.       erdinc
2151 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 03:05 am

I thought you were joking but it is on the news:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6044192.stm

He might have won the nobel price but he has lost my respect. You can add to this the respect of almost our whole nation as well. I'm hugely dissapointed with this person and the lies he is telling about our history just to gain more popularity on international press.

Our government has opened Ottoman archieves to researchers a few years ago and anybody seriously interested on the Armenian issue will know that Ottomans never did the things that have been claimed. On the contrary many Turks have been victoms of mass murder. Interestingly none of European researchers have been interested on archieves which include many historical documents and are a real evidence on what happened during the WW1.

I believe there is no other intellectual in the World who is disliked in his homeland as much as Orhan Pamuk. He is a shame to our country.

When I had read one of his books for the first time I was 19. It was back in early 90's. I was a junior at the university and I finished the book the same night I started. Without a sleep, the following morning I went to a bookshop to buy another one of his books. I was too excited. There were people who didn't like his style. They said he was a postmodernist but I loved reading him.

Now there is nothing in the World that can bring back a small piece of this enjoyment I once had when reading his books.

Very rare people are lucky enough to leave something behind memorable and special. There are great minds of history that we will always admire and remember decades after their death. Orhan Pamuk had a chance to be one of those rare people. Unfortunately he wasn't man enough to deal with this reality. Now he is a piece of nothingness with a nobel price. I don't thing it was worth the price for what he has lost.



Thread: debit cards in turkey

239.       erdinc
2151 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 02:08 am

Debit cards have less insurance agains fraud than credit cards. Ask your bank about this. Your card information might be stolen or your card might be cloned if you use it in a dodgy local shop and the bank might not cover your lost. If it had been a CC than you would have more protection.



Thread: visas!!!

240.       erdinc
2151 posts
 12 Sep 2006 Tue 03:33 am

The official website on this issue is this one:
http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/

They have a helpline:
0845 010 5555



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