You mean like...the Rolling Stones.

There is a counterpart for the English present participle in Turkish also and the one who has tried to translate relative clauses from E to T or vice versa has noticed that these forms pretty well correspond with each other...

                           Işleyen demir pas tutmaz.

...which is not the case with adverbials of time.

(What...shouldn´t it be işlenen demir?)

It seems that our terms are all over the place now. Good. The worse the better.

I will have to dust my old Russian grammar books now because that´s where I met the term for the first time. I have a feeling they support the adverb view...but where does this duality in terminology root from?

A great job to collect them in one place. I remember this was one of the first shocks for a learner trying to discover the secrets of Turkish syntax. (Some progress has happened  -  this time I didn’t faint any more.)

A couple of questions/notes:

1. –Ip

Most of the time this structure seems to connect two actions with the same subject. I have accidentally come across a different example though. Is this normal use?

Orta Çağ kapanıp Yeni Çağ süreci başlamıştır.

2. –dIğI gibi

a) Onun yaptığı gibi yap. ‘Do the way he did.’

b) Annesi odaya girdiği gibi bebek ağlamayı bıraktı. ‘The baby stopped crying as soon as her mother entered the room.’

Two different meanings, two different structures (it shows in the form of the embedded subject GEN - NOM). The latter one is certainly a gerund but is the former also? In my opinion gerunds always have to do with time but maybe the Turkish definition is different.

si++ wrote about it here, post 50:

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_50959_5

Btw, do not ever look at the “Gerund” article of Wikipedia. It is so bad.

I wouldn´t be too surprised if it was done on purpose. We receive this kind of messages all the time without paying attention to them.

Negative people often spoil the party but more than once they had a point.

This

was interesting here. I remember it was the way to urge children to do or not to do something but I can´t find the old posts about it.

All the natives have gone fishing.

I´ll be quiet, understand what you want.

My Try:

If I am not doing anything for you today

it´s because yesterday I did everything that lay in my power.

How are you, Apo dear?

How´s life?

I am really going to miss you. Nothing is the same since you left. Everything is half here now...Apo is not here any more.

It seems that you had such a big place inside of me. I have missed you a lot. I can´t believe it yet. I still feel I could just call your mobile. I couldn´t delete your number or your msn, do you know that? I always feel as if you are coming back. Everything is waiting ready as if we could talk again. It looks like it is difficult to accept some things, Apo.

Now I find out how valuable they were, those moments which I thought were just idle hours...when we were just walking around and talking.

(My Try.)

Exactly what was missing from this place. Thanks, tunci.