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Thread: Gazete

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caliptrix
3055 posts

28 Jul 2006 Fri 05:07 pm

Quoting bod:

Kolay okumak bir gazeteyi almak istiyorum

I want to buy an easy to read newspaper

I am not sure that this is a correct use of the full infinitive okumak. If it isn't, how does one make an adjective clause from a verb?

"Kolay okunan bir gazete almak istiyorum"

if you dont know which is easy to read, then you should not add "-yi", because it is not a specific newspaper.

If you know:
"Kolay okunan gazeteyi almak istiyorum" < but this is incomplete because you need to say which news is this.
example; "Kolay okunan gazeteyi, Times'ı almak istiyorum"

By the way, if you want to say that this newspaper is easy to read:
"Kolay okunan bir gazete olan Times'ı almak istiyorum"

Thread: survey on turkish language

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caliptrix
3055 posts

28 Jul 2006 Fri 04:53 pm

I am not a learner completely but I improve my Turkish too, even i am a native Turkish speaker. Can i answer?

1-Name: Yasin
2-Age: 23
3-Nationality: Turkish
4-Occupation: Student
5-What is the first thing you can say about Turkey?: Improving, and will be better soon.
6-Is it an European country? What do you thing?: As cultural no, as behavior: yes.
7-The reason why you would like to learn Turkish?: I see that Turkish is some complex in some cases, and I am trying to be more communicative and write more literary and less faulty texts in Turkish and in English.
8- If you have been how many times and for what reason you have been in Turkey? I live in Turkey

I hope you don't think that my Turkish is bad, lol

Thread: Have to... / lazim / gerek / zorunda

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caliptrix
3055 posts

28 Jul 2006 Fri 04:45 pm

Quoting angel_:

hey bod..
thats what I found out so far
Possibilities to say have to / must

1. lazım
2. gerek
3. zorunda
4. suffix -meli / -malı

When you want to say a "positv" sentece
lazım and gerek are both possible to use (they are changable)
Bana para lazım
Bana para gerek

BugÃ¼n calışmam lazım
BugÃ¼n calışmam gerek

"negativ" senteces are like this:
BugÃ¼n calışmam lazım değıl
BugÃ¼n calışmam gerekli değıl ( dont forget the li)
or you can say:
BugÃ¼n calışmam gereksiz.
BugÃ¼n calışmam lÃ¼zumsuz.

Next: zorunda: "positv"
BugÃ¼n calışmak zorundayım
"negativ": I have no idea: Maybe :.... zorunda değılım...

Next: - suffix -meli / -malı
It means as well "must"
positiv:
BugÃ¼n calışmalıyım (correct - as you said- I believe)
negativ:
bugÃ¼n calışmamalıyim

But this still does not help me with my other questions:
My book tells me that I can use all forms
So.. is there really no difference ?
Which use turkish people most ?

What about the diffrent times - like future (with olacak)and past with -idi- ?
(hopefully my English is well enough that you can undstand me and maybe somebody else as well my problem in this case)

Bana para lazım
Bana para gerek

BugÃ¼n calışmam lazım
BugÃ¼n calışmam gerek

They all refers that you have to do it because there is an obligatory. By the way;

BugÃ¼n calışmam lazım değil
BugÃ¼n calışmam gerekli değıl ( dont forget the li)
these tell us that there is no obligatory. And;

BugÃ¼n calışmam gereksiz.
BugÃ¼n calışmam lÃ¼zumsuz.
these means:"It will be better not to work"

So these three types are different.

Quoting angel_:

"negativ": I have no idea: Maybe :.... zorunda değılım...

exactly, you are right! Like here:

Gitmek zorunda değilim
I dont have to go

Quoting angel_:

BugÃ¼n Ã§alışmalıyım (correct - as you said- I believe)
negativ:
bugÃ¼n Ã§alışmamalıyım

They are "must" and also can be "should" due to the sentence. And negative form nmeans that: "I belive that it would be better not to work"

Quoting angel_:

But this still does not help me with my other questions:
My book tells me that I can use all forms
So.. is there really no difference ?
Which use turkish people most ?

What about the diffrent times - like future (with olacak)and past with -idi- ?
(hopefully my English is well enough that you can undstand me and maybe somebody else as well my problem in this case)

Sure there are some differences, but you should see them in the practices we write.

If you give me a specific example, I can answer your question about future and past forms.

Kolay gelsin!

Thread: Have to... / lazim / gerek / zorunda

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caliptrix
3055 posts

28 Jul 2006 Fri 04:21 pm

Quoting bod:

BugÃ¼n Ã§alışmam lazım değil - It is not necessary for me to work today

This is ok also, by the way, I have a better one:

BugÃ¼n Ã§alışmam gerekmiyor
I dont have to work today (or study)

Another example:

-Kitap mı almak lazım?
Is it necessary to buy the book?
+Hayır alman gerekmez
+No, you dont need to buy it

Thread: Have to... / lazim / gerek / zorunda

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caliptrix
3055 posts

28 Jul 2006 Fri 04:16 pm

Quoting bod:

BugÃ¼n Ã§alışman zorunda - Today you have no choice but to work

"zorunda" is different a little bit.

I have to: zorundayım

BugÃ¼n Ã§alışmak zorundayım
I have to work today

for "you" - "sen"

BugÃ¼n Ã§alışmak zorundasın
Today, you have to work(or study).

Thread: Noun states

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caliptrix
3055 posts

28 Jul 2006 Fri 01:18 am

Quoting bod:

Quoting erdinc:

Sanırım, bu doğru.
Sanırım, bu doğru değil.

NiÃ§in fiili tÃ¼mce sonda koyulmadı?

Fiili sona koysan da olur.

bu doğru, sanırım
bu doğru değil, sanırım.

But these are direct clauses, so you should separate them by coma.

Indirect seems some different:

Bunun doğru olduğunu sanıyorum.
Bunun doğru olmadığını sanıyorum.

I used present continuous(sanıyorum), because it sounds better for here (just a habit).

Thread: questions

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caliptrix
3055 posts

28 Jul 2006 Fri 01:06 am

Quoting CANLI:

İ was looking at the dictionary for the meaning of 'meet'to translate this

İ am going to meet with my friends

So i found it like this

meet
f. (met)
1. -e rastlamak, -e rast gelmek, ile karşılaşmak: I met Deniz by chance on my way to work. İşe giderken DenizÂ´e rastladım.

İt says it take a (e),
This means it take the (y)A state ?

So this (e) change to (a) accourding to the vowel ?

So i say , arkadaşıma restlayacakım

Doğru mu ?

Doğru! Ama "rastladım", because you can't know what you will meet by chance

Thread: Let's practice Turkish by writing!!!

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caliptrix
3055 posts

27 Jul 2006 Thu 01:40 am

Just an example for learners.

İnternetle Ã§ok ilgiliyim. Bir internet sitem var. Tasarımını kendim yaptım. Ã‡ok fazla ziyaret edilmiyor, Ã§Ã¼nkÃ¼ amatÃ¶rce yaptım.

Ã–nce "html" kodlarını Ã¶ğrenmeye başladım. Benimle ilgili yazılar yazdım ve bu yazıları siteme koydum. Beni merak edenler var. Onlara sitemin adresini veriyorum. Arkadaşlarım da siteme girerek benim hakkımda bilgi alabilirler.

Siz de internet sitesi yapmak ister misiniz?

As I wrote; just an example to read.

Thread: Türkiye'de

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caliptrix
3055 posts

26 Jul 2006 Wed 03:16 pm

Quoting bod:

Quoting caliptrix:

Yes, this one is better. By the way:

Ã§ok daha +fazla

Ã§ok daha fazla TÃ¼rkÃ§e Ã¶ğrenmeyi umuyorum. (more Turkish)
TÃ¼rkÃ§e'yi Ã§ok daha fazla Ã¶ğrenmeyi umuyorum. (more in Turkish)

I thought fazla meant "too much"

Dont think so thight! When you use a word just itself alone it maybe another meaning and when you use a word with some more words, it may be different...

I am always telling: Dont think more if you dont understand in language, just memorize as in its form.

Thread: Correct sentence structure

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caliptrix
3055 posts

26 Jul 2006 Wed 03:08 pm

Quoting bod:

Quoting cyrano:

Quoting caliptrix:

"bugÃ¼n lazım Ã§alışmak" is too strange! I am not sure, let's ask to erdinÃ§

When you come across such an expression, for example, in a poem, just try to ask ErdinÃ§ if you have got it correctly. I am sure he would help you understand it.

ErdinÃ§ is not the only person here who speaks fluent Turkish!!!
At least I hope not lol

I was kidding

I think bugÃ¼n lazım Ã§alışmak is too strange practically. But it may be ok for grammar, I am not a teacher, so i referred him.

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