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Thread: Çocuk kitapı

431.       erdinc
2151 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 03:26 pm

"Birkaç" means "a few" and because it means "a few" it takes a singular noun.



Thread: Noun states

432.       erdinc
2151 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 03:21 pm

V-duğun zaman < verbal adverb (when you V-)
V-duğun için < verbal adverb (since you V-)
V-duğundan dolayı < verbal adverb (because of you V-)
V-duğun adam < the man you V-

-dik suffix can be verbal adverb or verbal adjective. If it is followed by an adverb (zaman, için, dolayı...) then it is an adverb, if it is followed by a noun then it is an adjective.

Examples:

konuştuğun adam : the man you talked
okuduğum kitap : the book I read
yürüdüğün yol : the way you walk on
gittiğin yol : the way you go on
kullandığın araba : the car you drive
baktığın yer : the secenery you look at

Here is an interesting example:

1. Bana verdiğin zaman yeterli değil.
2. Arabanı bana verdiğin zaman çok sevindim.

In the first sentence "verdiğin zaman" is a noun clause. "Zaman" here is a noun and means time. "Verdiğin zaman" means "the time that you gave".

"Bana verdiğin zaman yeterli değil. "
"The time that you gave me is insufficient. "

In the second sentence "verdiğin zaman" is an adverbial clause of time. It means "when you gave".

"Arabanı bana verdiğin zaman çok sevindim."
"I felt very happy when you gave your car to me".



Thread: Types of houses (residential)

433.       erdinc
2151 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 03:07 pm

It is not common that a familiy owns a whole apartment building. Usually they give you one or two flats if you exchange your one floor house.

If you make own a house and sign a deal with building companies they knock it down and build and apartment and give you a flat and some money. This is usually how all those apartment buildings are build.

Most families don't live in their own flats but they pay rent. Because our government doesn't collect income tax the rich get richer and the poor poorer. There are people who have many flats and there are people who but 5 bread a day since this is the cheapest thing they can eat.



Thread: -meksiniz

434.       erdinc
2151 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 03:03 pm

The -maksızın suffix is going to be dropped in the future. We are now in the middle of such a change. I think it will take 30 years untill that suffix is gone. Our language changes very fast. If you live within the language (we all live within the language but just don't realize it) and if you watch carefully you can see these changes. In Turkish these are amazing because many of them will fit in a person's lifetime while this will not happen in many other languages.

It would be very interesting to talk about the Turkish in 30 years. I can see it.



Thread: living in Turkey with only high school diploma

435.       erdinc
2151 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 02:56 pm

Quoting livleylou:

Hi ya
Sometimes in life you have to throw yourself in at the "deep" end & i guess it will be 'sink or swim'
But is is much better to try & fail then to live with the regret of "i wished..........."

Just make sure you have an open ticket or enough money to buy 1 .... just in case it all goes belly up...........otherwise have a great time



Yes this is a good advice. Otherwise one day you will faint in the middle of a street because not having eaten anything for a long time and then people come and buy a simit.
Do you think this doesn't happen? It does and these kind things always come accross to me.



Thread: living in Turkey with only high school diploma

436.       erdinc
2151 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 07:38 am

Yes, it will. English can help you finding a job but it will take too much time and without a university degree the job won't be that good. If you had a university degree maybe you could get an English teaching certificate and that would help.

Because you are desperate for a job employers will try to use this. Since you don't have any experience and since you don't know how to handle situations at the beginning you will experience lots of harrasment. Some employers might come with some unethical offerings and even if you would try to report them you would just see the authorities lauging at you.

Human rights organisations in Turkia are only interested to support terrorists who have killed officials or innocent people. None of them will have ever heard anything about sexual harrasment at workplace.

Your couple of thousand Canadian dollars will vanish in a month or two and you will still not have found a job. Afterwards you are on your own. Even for Turkish people there is no income support or what-so-ever if you don't earn any money. It is only you and God that can help you.

You could get a minimum wage job but I think you don't know what it is like. You would have to think a few times before you buy a coke. I don't think you would survive.



Thread: living in Turkey with only high school diploma

437.       erdinc
2151 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 06:59 am

Hi jwallace,

There is too much unemployment in Turkia. Even people with university degrees can not easily find a good job and if they do, sallaries are extremely low in Turkia. Other than that many things are extremely expensive as well.

The average sallary in Turkia is the lowest comparing to EU countries.

Electricity, oil, phone charges and internet connection is the most expensive of the World in Turkia. I don't think there is a country that can beat us on these but even if there is we are among the top.

Other than that cars and electronical items are very expensive as well. A car is considered a luxury.

For a simple home computer you would have to save money for six months. It is simillar with kitchen appliances. Any big item such as a fridge, washing machine, or oven will costs as much as a month's income of a person that is in a position as you describe.

Of course you can not give your whole sallary away to buy something like a fridge. You must save for it for many months. Say, you are saving a quarter of your low sallary, which is extremely difficult, then you will buy a fridge in 4 months. Assuming you want to buy a fridge, a washing machine and an oven. You should be expecting to live like a plant for at least a year.

Anything that comes from abroad will be very expensive. Branded clothes and any branded items are first to mention. In a low level income people can not easiliy have a dinner outside. I'm not talking about fancy restourants but about the corner fast food shop. Sitting in a cafe and drinking a tea is luxury. Eating a sandvich outside is a luxury. McDonalds etc. will be not a place to eat. It will be too expensive for you.

With the quarter of your sallary that you saved you can only buy a pair of branded trainers. As a result you won't buy them.

In certain ages, for instance between 16-19, teenagers feel like their looks is very important and they want to wear nice things. Parents of average income will not easily buy a pair of branded trainers for their kids. But the problem is that, others, who have more money, will do and the kids will feel second class at school. Therefore many parents are spending lots of money for their children to prevent them to feel second class and of course they can not buy most of the things they would like to.

Since any type of meat is extremely expensive there are people who can not afford to buy meat for months. Even buying a kg beef is a luxury that you can not afford on a low level income. If a factory worker, or an ordinary office worker (with a high school diploma) would take home a kg of beef the family would be happy not only for a day but for a whole week and they would consume it very carefully.

On a low level income you don't take your children to the supermarket because they will want things that you can not afford e.g. a chocolate.

When I first started working as a teacher I was send to a small village in South-East Turkia (Güneydoğu'da bir köyde başladım öğretmenliğe). I went there with the local bus together with the villagers and when I arrived a few children came and they helped me carrying my items.

Afterterwards, the children and I were having a chat and resting a bit. It was a very hot summer day. We were in front of my new one room flat that was next to the one room school building.

I unpacked a few boxes. I had brought some food with me. I started preparing sandviches for them. One of the children was surprised. He said, "What is this?" and I told him it was a sausage. He was a ten year old boy and he had not eaten sausage in his life.

This was ten years ago. I was 24 at the time. I still remember it like yesterday. It was a difficult year for me. For six months of the year the weather was unbearably hot and whenever some officials arrived in the village to check the school I had to weat a suit jacket. I only had a thick one for winter. As a teacher I couldn't afford buying a summer jacket in my first year.

That year I started learning English and hoped that it would help me for a better life. Life is very tough in Turkia, jwallace.



Thread: Noun states

438.       erdinc
2151 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 04:42 am

"Sanırım bu doğru."
"Sanırım bu doğru değil."

"Bunun doğru olduğunu sanıyorum."
"Bunun doğru olmadığını sanıyorum."

This is going to be an interesting issue. Let's start with Bod's question:

Quoting bod:

Quoting erdinc:

Sanırım, bu doğru.
Sanırım, bu doğru değil.



Niçin fiili tümce sonda koyulmadı?



Çünkü burada fiil yok. Because there is no verb here. These are noun sentences:

Sanırım, bu doğru.
Sanırım, bu doğru değil.

In the first sentence the predicate (yüklem) is "doğru". How can an adjective such as "doğru" be a predicate? Simple. The predicate is the word that tells us an existence or occurance. In noun sentences the predicate is either a noun or from noun family.

Exampes:

Bu doğru. (This is right.)
doğru: predicate (yüklem)
bu: subject (özne)

Bu güzel. (This is nice.)
güzel: predicate (yüklem)
bu: subject (özne)

Bu kalem. (This is a pen.)
kalem: predicate (yüklem)
bu: subject (özne)

Bu kalem güzel. (This pen is nice)
güzel: predicate (yüklem)
bu kalem: subject (özne)

All these examples are noun sentences. Noun sentences can not have an object. In a noun sentence, that something which is affected by the predicate is always the subject.

x is good.
x is nice.
x is expensive.
x is a student.

In those sentences the x is the subject.

"Sanırım" in the first sentence expresses probability. It is not a verb. It is a "probability adverb".
Here are a few more probability adverbs:
"Sanırım, galiba, herhalde, belki, tahminen, büyük ihtimalle."
So, what does a probability adverb do in this sentence? It is not a predicate, it is not a subject,it is not an object but it is a complement. There are two types of complements (tümleç): 1. Zarf Tümleci (adverb complement), 2. Dolaylı Tümleç (indirect complement)

"Sanırım, bu doğru."
doğru: predicate (yüklem)
bu: subject (özne)
sanırım: adverb complement (zarf tümleci)

Now, let us look into the other sentences mentioned above. These are verb sentences:

Quote:

"Bunun doğru olduğunu sanıyorum."
"Bunun doğru olmadığını sanıyorum."



The noun sentences have correctly transformed into verb sentences with the help of an object clause: "bunun doğru olduğunu" (this being correct) and then the verb comes.

(Ben) / Bunun doğru olduğunu / sanıyorum
hidden subject / object clause/ predicate



Thread: What are you listening now?

439.       erdinc
2151 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 02:54 am

Quoting Aenigma:

I am listening to the craziness in my head right now. Why are threads locked in this way - this site is becoming a joke! No explanation then how Bod started the thread when it appears as Erdinc? Is Bod is writing under the name Erdinc then?
Offf lock this thread then too - I give up.



Greetings,

There is a glitch that occurs whenever a message is deleted. The forum shows incorrect names as last poster or topic starter but when you open the threads you will always see the correct information.

You should have posted me a pm instead of writing in the forum. Nobody is posting for nobody else. We are not teenagers who have nothing better to do than writing rubbish in forums. I'm a full time teacher working in London. As I advertised before (in the private lessons forum) anybody is welcome to visit me in my school and to join my Turkish class for adult learners.

Bod is a web designer and has his own things to do. We all have many things to do but spending time for meaningless issues is not one of them.
I'm afraid I have had enough of these problematic members.



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

440.       erdinc
2151 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 02:26 am

You can keep posting on this topic as it is available again.



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