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Thread: turish to english...

3361.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 05 Jan 2012 Thu 03:20 pm

 

Quoting emilyasiegel

What does Sess mean?

 

It is ses. It means voice.



Thread: t to e

3362.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 05 Jan 2012 Thu 03:15 pm

 

Quoting Abla

I don´t have the heart to do it to you.

 

Kıyamam sana  I can´t kill you

Then it became I can´t hurt you.



Thread: E to T

3363.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 05 Jan 2012 Thu 03:08 pm

 

Quoting zizoo

Thanks a lot Scalpel çok teşekkürler

and sorry for the bad numbering, I noticed it just now... the negative side of copy-pasting Wink

Tilavet?  Who under 70 knows what tilavet means? Okay I accept I am a troll.

 



Edited (1/5/2012) by gokuyum



Thread: gerekmek

3364.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 05 Jan 2012 Thu 03:04 pm

Why do you sabotage me scalpel?



Thread: gerekmek

3365.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 04 Jan 2012 Wed 09:01 am

 

Quoting Abla

Maybe some kind of a rule is beginning to take shape here when we sort out the examples a little bit.

 

The phrase containing gerek- acts as the subject of the main clause:

Gitmen gerektiği belli. It is clear that you have to go.

The phrase containing gerek- acts as the object of the main clause:

Gitmen gerektiğini söylüyor. He/she says that you have to go.

The phrase containing gerek- acts as the adverbial of the main clause:

Gitmem gerektiği zaman söyle. Tell me when I have to go.

Until here everything is simple. The problem comes when we try to use a phrase with gerek- as an attribute. These are all equivalents to English relative clauses. You can’t find –dik participle here. Instead, only participles which don’t take personal endings are used.

Bitirmem gereken ödevlerim var. I have homeworks that I have to finish.

almam gerekmiş çiçekler the flowers which I had to buy

torbasını açması gerekmiş yolcu the traveller who had to open her bag

kızının kasapla evlenmesi gerekmiş baba the father whose daugter had to marry the butcher  

Actually the only example which I cannot fit into the rule is the one with future participle (which, yes, is able to take personal endings and usually acts like –dik participle).

Söylemem gerekecek şey onu üzebilir. The thing I will have to say can make him upset.

Maybe the need of expressing future is stronger here than syntactic limitations. We don’t have but –ecek- for future, do we? Just speculating.

If a word becomes adjective it can only take possesive suffixes not personal endings. And if it takes a possesive suffix it will become a noun.

Here are the suffixes that makes verb nouns:

-an, -ası-, -mez, -ar, -dik,-ecek,-miş

 



Thread: gerekmek

3366.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 03 Jan 2012 Tue 09:16 pm

Gitmen gerektiğini söylüyor.

gerek-dik-i-n-i

Now we see "gerek" and "dik" together. But here "-dik" with "-i" makes it a noun not adjective.  So if we add -diği to gerek we have a noun.

 

Ex:

1)Gitmen gerektiği belli. It is clear that you have to go.

Gitmen gerektiği is the subject of the sentence.

2)Gitmen gerektiğini söylüyor. He/she says that you have to go.

Gitmen gerektiğini is the object of the sentence.



Thread: gerekmek

3367.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 03 Jan 2012 Tue 04:48 pm

 

Quoting Abla

When something sounds weird there must be a reason for it. (I don´t need the reason but it is just interesting.)

 

There is one reason that is -dik doesn´t make "gerek" an adjective. It doesn´t make every verbs adjective. It chooses the one it wants

It is true.

 

Ex: gerektik, koştuk, güldük, etc... don´t mean anything as adjectives but bildik, alışıldık, görülmedik make sense.



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Thread: gerekmek

3368.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 03 Jan 2012 Tue 09:50 am

the flowers which I had to buy almam gerekmiş çiçekler

the traveller who had to open her bag torbasını açması gerekmiş yolcu

the father whose daughter had to marry the butcher kızının kasapla evlenmesi gerekmiş baba

 

I am thinking about a way of using -dık instead of -miş. Because they both give past meanings. But it sounds weird.



Thread: gerekmek

3369.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 03 Jan 2012 Tue 09:35 am

 

Quoting Abla

Strange...I need to think about this again.

Can you tell me any use for gerek|tik, gerek|en, gerek|ecek, gerek|ir participles?

 

Gitmem gerektiği zaman söyle. Tell me when I have to go.

Bitirmem gereken ödevlerim var. I have homeworks that I have to finish.

Söylemem gerekecek şey onu üzebilir. The thing I will have to say can make him upset.

 

We don´t use gerekir as an adjective.

 

 

 



Thread: gerekmek

3370.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 03 Jan 2012 Tue 09:12 am

 

Quoting Abla

Does gerekmek function as a normal verb in inlayed sentences? I tried some equivalents of relative clauses to test the principle  -  they may be incorrect.

the flowers which I had to buy almam gerekmiş çiçekler

the traveller who had to open her bag torbasını açması gerekmiş yolcu

the father whose daughter had to marry the butcher kızının kasapla evlenmesi gerekmiş baba

miş makes the verb gerek adjective here. And "gerek" is the predicate of inlayed sentence.

 



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