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Buddhist marry Muslim
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05 May 2007 Sat 01:38 am |
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the fact that the 'honor killings' are given this name to a religion instead of individuals is hurtful and slanderous and made for media headlines to scare non-muslims to fear the 'religion' itself. my personal opinion. when in any other country where there is a 'murder' he/she is simply called a murderer, a 'gang' member, a scorned spouse or stalker, etc.
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05 May 2007 Sat 01:58 am |
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Quoting kaddersokak:
i would say violence against women are is common in muslim countries. women in western Europe are counted as individuals. but in many of muslim countries they just should obey their husbands. I am sorry but this is what I think. there is no honour killing in Europe. especially in rural regions in Turkey violence and sexual abuse are very common. do not judge Turkey just by looking at istanbul or touristic resorts... |
In Turkey, women are also counted as individuals according to the laws. We have the same rights as the women in Europe, but violence against women is a different thing, it's in the long patriarchial culture of the men, are you really sure that women are really treated socially equally to men in practice in Europe too? One way or another, women are still seen and treated inferiorily in Europe. So, the real reason cannot be any of the religions.
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05 May 2007 Sat 02:01 am |
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Quoting mltm:
because while large groups of muslims do not practice it, only certain groups pratice it, that generalizing is like concluding tthat "the actual fact remains the same, the ones that commit the honor killings are the men, then men commit honor killings" it's right but incomplete as if like all men commit it. Usually all misinterpretations are because we don't care about the "footnotes". |
In one of my above posts I already wrote some Muslims. I supposed we already agreed I didn't make a generalization since I had once showed it earlier. But now I see that was my fault. Whereas, in order to avoid generalizations each time I should have indicated an uncertain amount of muslims.
"Now I will write 'some muslims' just for once, but you should certainly consider that I don't have an intention to make a generalization about muslims even if I don't use the word 'some' each time."
"Please be adviced that in the following lines I will actually mean and mention 'fanatic muslims' when using only 'muslims'. Because I already showed this, by writing 'fanatic muslims' earlier."
Will we speak English like that?
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05 May 2007 Sat 02:12 am |
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Quoting panta rei:
Will we speak English like that? |
You said that anyway the important thing was they were muslims, but I wanted to show you that being a muslim was not their reason to do honor killings, they could have been a christian or jew but still do these honor killings.
Anyway, I already guess your answer, and I will answer you in return, and it will go like this for ages.
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05 May 2007 Sat 02:14 am |
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Quoting panta rei:
"Please be adviced that in the following lines I will actually mean and mention 'fanatic muslims' when using only 'muslims'. Because I already showed this, by writing 'fanatic muslims' earlier."
Will we speak English like that? |
No,not really,i dont agree.
İm muslim and i dont agree you address me by what ever you want to say about some certain groups or some certain behavior.
When you want to point at something you should use 'some muslims' not just Muslims.
And also,be sure what ever you talk about ONLY muslims doing it,not some other groups.
Like in honer killing for example,if you want to say some Muslims,you must say and some İndians,and some Japanese,and some ....ect
Because if you not sure ONLY Muslims doing it,then i dont accept the words 'some Muslims' too.
And your words will lose its reliability,because not only 'some Muslims' performing it,but some other groups and nationalities too.
İf you want attack something or someone at least be fair !
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05 May 2007 Sat 02:44 am |
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Quoting Elisa: Yeah, it's been a long time since there was some bashing here so you thought you'd seize the opportunity? |
This is what I would called a clever retort! And the hat was already taken off to that. 
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05 May 2007 Sat 02:57 am |
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Quoting panta rei: Quoting CANLI:
As i recall,its forbidden to drink alcohol |
I think this is wrong; because in Christianity (red) wine, for example, is believed and considered to symbolize "the blood of Jesus", that's why even in Churchs Christians are served wine. |
Ohhh then how come our Church saying drink alcohol is forbidden ?!
Aren't all Churches saying same rules in the Bible ?
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05 May 2007 Sat 03:13 am |
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Quoting panta rei: Quoting CANLI:
Well,if the maid's husband is capable of hiring a maid,then so be it.
İf he is not,then he should help his wife.
People've got different income levels,and you cannt expect all levels live the same ! |
You know, some people are rich by birth as they are born into a rich family. Accordingly their income levels are much higher than those of the rest. They can hire maids while the others can't. One thing is clear: actual economies don't care such inequity. The question is, does Islam as a religion of humankind not care that either? Or let me ask this way: Why can I not expect all levels to be the same? What is it that I lack while some have, in order to have income enough to hire a maid (suppose that I am one who cannot hire a maid.)? Aren't we all human beings? Shouldn't we all be equall in every respect, including income levels? After all, aren't we all the creatures that the same God created? I mean, does the Koran say anything about this point? |
İ understood your questions,but your point is away too far from what we are talking about.
You are starting from the beginning,that why God created us differently
God testing both rich and poor,testing the rich how would he spend his money,and testing the poor if he would be patient ,and will keep believing in God that when HE close a door will open a window or not.
And maybe to teach us a lesson,that maybe a person can be very rich,and hiring lots of maids,but not happy.
And that same maid,is poor and cannt afford to hire someone who can help her,but she is happy by the little help her husband giving to her.
İf we are all equal,then we'll be the same,there wont be something new,not new lessons,...ect
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05 May 2007 Sat 09:14 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting panta rei: Quoting CANLI:
As i recall,its forbidden to drink alcohol |
I think this is wrong; because in Christianity (red) wine, for example, is believed and considered to symbolize "the blood of Jesus", that's why even in Churchs Christians are served wine. |
Ohhh then how come our Church saying drink alcohol is forbidden ?!
Aren't all Churches saying same rules in the Bible ? |
Absolutely NOT. Some Christians drink "as fishes".. Some other (SECTS) say it is forbidden. There is no single version of what the Bible says. ESPECIALLY with Christians.
Examples. Catholics can drink. The Morman sect says don't drink, but many Mormans do anyway. There is no single answer.
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05 May 2007 Sat 09:15 am |
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Quoting cat_leo:
Oh yeah, where are these men such as you say there are in islamic countries? I have yet to meet one. After being married to 2 very different, but 'hypocritical' turks I have to say that they did exactly all the things mention here, watching porn, drinking alcohol, having sex without marriage (and let me add one more, beating his wife as I was by one of them) that as you say are 'supposably' forbidden to all men. |
I'm sorry to say this, but I think you found the wrong type of men to marry. And one of my criterias is I would never ever marry someone who's actions contradicts his own beliefs/values. If he won't do what he says or believes then how can I trust him or believe in him. After talking to 35-40 Turkish/Kurdish men I believe that only 2 out of those are actually living a righteous type of lifestyle according to their beliefs and I really respect that. So again, I don't think it's the religion (I think it's human weakness and failings). And men that actually do what they say are in the minority.
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05 May 2007 Sat 09:27 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting panta rei: Quoting CANLI:
As i recall,its forbidden to drink alcohol |
I think this is wrong; because in Christianity (red) wine, for example, is believed and considered to symbolize "the blood of Jesus", that's why even in Churchs Christians are served wine. |
Ohhh then how come our Church saying drink alcohol is forbidden ?!
Aren't all Churches saying same rules in the Bible ? |
Yeah drinking alcohol is forbidden in Christianity. Sex before marriage is forbidden too. And divorce is forbidden. But lots of people do these things even if they go to church, and are religious. And if you are a Jehovah's Witness it's even more strict... you can not date, have bf/gf relationships, go to clubs, etc. but I know people that do. And adultery is a major sin in Christianity but then why is one of my friends telling me the pastor is having an affair.
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