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Buddhist marry Muslim
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:27 am |
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Quoting mltm:
No, they don't do it as part of their religion. If you look at the girls of these families, most of them don't wear even veils. |
I presume you don't wear veil either. And in that case you mustn't be a muslim either.
Quoting mltm:
They are not fanatic muslims. |
Do they have to be so? Do you desire they become fanatic or you mean you would regard them as muslims providing that they are "fanatic"?
Quoting mltm:
And they don't scream as "Allahü Ekber" as they do it. |
Is this really a sign that they aren't muslims?
Quoting mltm:
And when they explain their reason to do it, they say that "the girl has shamed them and they do it for the reputation of their family".
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The term "shame" is religious as well as cultural.
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:32 am |
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Quoting panta rei:
The term "shame" is religious as well as cultural. |
What is your source?
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:35 am |
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Quoting azade: Quoting panta rei:
The term "shame" is religious as well as cultural. |
What is your source? |
I can give you many sources, but I don't think this is needed, for culture(s) and religion(s) has been forming each other for thousands of years. You can hardly separate one from the other.
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:37 am |
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Quoting panta rei: Quoting azade: Quoting panta rei:
The term "shame" is religious as well as cultural. |
What is your source? |
I can give you many sources, but I don't think this is needed for culture(s) and religion(s) has been forming each other for thousands of years. |
Yes that's true but what does that have to do with shame? Sorry I don't follow..
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:42 am |
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Quoting panta rei:
Is this really a sign that they aren't muslims?
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I did not say they were not "MUSLIMS" but they don't do honor killings for their religion, they do them for their family honor, I have never heard any of them quoting something from Islam when they're interogated and askd why they have committed it.
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:42 am |
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Quoting azade: Quoting panta rei: Quoting azade: Quoting panta rei:
The term "shame" is religious as well as cultural. |
What is your source? |
I can give you many sources, but I don't think this is needed for culture(s) and religion(s) has been forming each other for thousands of years. |
Yes that's true but what does that have to do with shame? Sorry I don't follow.. |
azade- the terms "shame", "shameful" and their relatives get their meaning and values according to things/references/basics beased on culture and religion. You must have at least one reference value or thing (which is based on culture and religion) in order to be able to judge or regard "something", let's say "adultery", as "shame" or "shameful". Something in itself cannot be "shame" and "shameful" unless you have values, references.
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:43 am |
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Quoting catwoman:
To me, it's nonsense to join a group of people that behave hypocritically and don't do what they claim to believe in, even if I liked their religion (it's quite a small population of those who follow everything). |
As i recall,its forbidden to drink alcohol ,and to have sex,or live with a man you are not married to him in Christianity too.
No need to say how many christians in Western drink alcohol and have sex with people they are not married to.
So,they are not christians ?
They dont believe in Christianity ?
Or something wrong in Christianity ?!
And you think its nonsense to join a group of people that behave hypocritically and don't do what they claim to believe in ?
İ wonder then if so,so how many christians will be left if we exclude the people who do things not in the Bible?!
And btw,we called Muslims,not group of people!
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:46 am |
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Quoting CANLI: İ wonder then if so,so how many christians will be left if we exclude the people who do things not in the Bible?!
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It's a good point. As if only they are forbidden in İslam and there're only muslims doing the opposites.
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:47 am |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting panta rei:
Is this really a sign that they aren't muslims?
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I did not say they were not "MUSLIMS" |
So true! You said they weren't "fanatic" muslims! 
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:52 am |
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Quoting panta rei: Quoting mltm: Quoting panta rei:
Is this really a sign that they aren't muslims?
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I did not say they were not "MUSLIMS" |
So true! You said they weren't "fanatic" muslims! |
What's this? Are you playing with words?
You claimed that I ddidn't consider them muslim because they didn't wear veils, and they were not fanatics. I wanted to show that since killings in İran or in the Taliban regime have been doing in the name of İslam, the honor killings I'm talking about are not the same. I wanted to tell that they were not fanatics at all since killings are done by fanatics of that religion if they're done for religious reasons.
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:54 am |
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Quoting CANLI:
As i recall,its forbidden to drink alcohol |
I think this is wrong; because in Christianity (red) wine, for example, is believed and considered to symbolize "the blood of Jesus", that's why even in Churchs Christians are served wine.
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