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Buddhist marry Muslim
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90.       mheart72
73 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 02:07 am

Damoon,
You mention that you havent really discuss this "religion" thing with your boyfriend. Do you you think its wiser and better if you do so that you know what he really thinks about this subject. You will just make yourself sick of thinking too much. For all you know he might not want you to convert then you're stressing yourself for nothing. If he does then its time for you to really weigh the relationship especially your feelings for him. If you dont mind converting then no problem but then i presume you value your religion too. If he wants you to convert and you don't want to, then i think its time to move on. Spare yourself and the guy more heartaches .

91.       gezbelle
1542 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 02:08 am

Quoting azade:

The reason I asked about buddhists marrying is that they are supposed to seperate themselves from all kinds of desire and so forth and I thought that marriage counts there as well. Anyway I'm not an expert of course



The Buddhist views on marriage are very liberal: in Buddhism, marriage is regarded entirely as personal and individual concern, and not as a religious duty. There are no religious laws in Buddhism compelling a person to be married, to remain as a bachelor or to lead a life of total chastity. It is not laid down anywhere that Buddhists must produce children or regulate the number of children that they produce. Buddhism allows each individual the freedom to decide for himself all the issues pertaining to marriage. It might be asked why Buddhist monks do not marry, since there are no laws for or against marriage. The reason is obviously that to be of service to mankind, the monks have chosen a way of life which includes celibacy. Those who renounce the worldly life keep away from married life voluntarily to avoid various worldly commitments in order to maintain peace of mind and to dedicate their lives solely to serve others in the attainment of spiritual emancipation.

from: http://web.singnet.com.sg/~alankhoo/MoreQA.htm#Marriage

Because Buddhists are accepting of other religions, even within the same household, there are no religious laws that require that both individuals in a marriage should be Buddhist or that conversion to either's religious conviction is warranted or expected.

Although the Buddha expressed no specific rules and regulations regarding marriage, advice on leading a happy married life was offered, and suggested that fidelity and loyalty are the most essential attributes of a happy marriage.


from: http://www.deaconministry.com/buddhism.htm

one side of my family are buddhists and they are all married

92.       vineyards
1954 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 02:43 am

93.       panta rei
0 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 02:46 am

Quoting catwoman:

(My advice is run away).



Mine would exactly be the same! The further away the better! lol

94.       kaddersokak
130 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 04:46 am

Quote:


But its source is hadiths not the Kur'an i think, Kur'an is a book on justice, if men can do something, also women can do it...Others are humans interpretation...Allah does not say something like that, do you think Allah forgot something in Kur'an whereas Allah says Kur'an is fully detailed. And that hadiths contradict with Kur'an, so we must believe in Allah not Hayrettin Karaman...



I am sure u know better than Hayrettin Karaman Give Allah some advice too.

95.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 05:17 am

Quoting kaddersokak:


I am sure u know better than Hayrettin Karaman Give Allah some advice too.


I believe in Allah, not Hayrettin Karaman. You go and kiss Hayrettin Karaman’s hand(or your moderate Islam leader), maybe he can give some advices to you or who knows may be he can put you into the heaven

96.       kaddersokak
130 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 05:51 am

Quoting armegon:

Quoting kaddersokak:


I am sure u know better than Hayrettin Karaman Give Allah some advice too.


I believe in Allah, not Hayrettin Karaman. You go and kiss Hayrettin Karaman’s hand(or your moderate Islam leader), maybe he can give some advices to you or who knows may be he can put you into the heaven



If u beleive in Allah, then why do you hate people who study Islam? are you smarter than a renown professor (Hayreddin Karaman)? Why do wee need teachers to understand maths and not just read the math book? are mat teachers telling us lies/ and what about christinaity? do you think the Christians should not listen their priests either? please tell us because you seem to know Islam better than prof. karaman

97.       kat007
95 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 06:52 am

Quoting mheart72:

Damoon,
You mention that you havent really discuss this "religion" thing with your boyfriend. Do you you think its wiser and better if you do so that you know what he really thinks about this subject. You will just make yourself sick of thinking too much. For all you know he might not want you to convert then you're stressing yourself for nothing. If he does then its time for you to really weigh the relationship especially your feelings for him. If you dont mind converting then no problem but then i presume you value your religion too. If he wants you to convert and you don't want to, then i think its time to move on. Spare yourself and the guy more heartaches .



This is good advice for her.

98.       kat007
95 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 07:13 am

Quoting catwoman:

So the situation is that the boyfriend expects you to adjust your beliefs about the world, god, life... according to his wishes. As you said, he already showed that he "expects" you to do that, without even wondering about your feelings about it - whether you would want to do this at all, how you would feel about it, what his and your concerns are, or maybe whether it would be better for him to move to your country to avoid the family's expectations... any of this! Instead, he thinks that it's your duty to adjust to him. It's like telling somebody "since you are my girlfriend, you have to believe what I tell you to believe". That's treating the person as his possession, as an object without thoughts and feelings. Faith is not something you just change like socks (as it was well put earlier). It's a result of your own thought process, your own view on life, something that reflects who you are, and NOT a result of someone telling you what you should think. That is manipulation and emotional slavery!
It's really weird to me why so many women keep boyfriends that obviously don't respect them enough. Could be a result of the brainwashing of Disney films that perpetually tell us that you still have to love the prince that hides behind the beast. What kind of love is it when the guy tells you that in order to be with him, you have to hypocritically change your thoughts, ideas, faith, roots... everything!



I know you're probably not talking about me but I want to add my own 2cents to this anyway. At first I did think like you and some of those thoughts did cross my mind. But he does not expect nor is he forcing his religion on me. The entire decision of converting or not is up to me, that's why I'm taking my time to learn about it and decide what I want to do and this may even take a year or two. Well, I can't exactly ask him to give up his religion and be like me (since I don't even have a religion) and I would never ask.

As to a man changing all my thoughts, ideas, faith, roots...everything (lol) that's kind of a extreme statement. But my thoughts are that if I do indeed convert, then he's not changing anything about me...I would be following Allah's guidance and the Quran. I told him that I would still do whatever the heck I want if it's not covered in the Quran... like eat at 3am in the morning, wear purple or blue sock if I feel like it or eat with chopsticks (he laughed and said I'm being difficult now.) lol, hey look the Quran doesn't focus on minor details, it basically is more of a guide on how to live morally.

I don't think a marriage where 2 people with such opposing beliefs/value could live in harmony. I believe that it's the best to adapt the ideas/beliefs/value that will help things run more smoothly and to ensure that there is minimal amounts of arguments. It's called "compromising".

99.       catwoman
8933 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 07:48 am

Katoo7, please don't get me wrong. If you are happy this way, if it's something you believe in and feel good about doing - keeping your free thinking and independence - I absolutely agree with you. However, I'm against the attitude of a guy who expects the woman to compromise or change for him, and of course doesn't even consider himself doing anything similar for the sake of the relationship. I'm against women being coerced into converting because the boyfriend threatens that otherwise they cannot be together or marry. This is a horrible type of manipulation that establishes the man's dominance and ownership of the woman's thinking and her choices, which is just the beginning to all the other manipulation he's ready to do if he has the capacity for it. Seeing how strongly a male dominant religion Islam is (remember - women are inferior according to them!!!), you need to be very careful what you're getting yourself into and what your bf's and his family's attitude is if you don't want to end up in a place of misery and no return. There are too many examples of women converting into Islam for their bf's, then moving to their country at which point the sweet, loving man she thought she knew turned into a beast under the influence of his family and culture.

Also, "compromising" is something BOTH sides are supposed to do, not one.

100.       kat007
95 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 08:22 am

By Sharrifa Carlo

"In reference to women, the Quran and the Hadiths have mandated various rules in regard to behavior, appearance and rights. Some of these may seem constricting to western women, causing them to pity Muslim women, but these women fail to realize that Muslim women do not feel constricted by these rules; we feel liberated, and in fact, as Muslim women we should pity western women. The Muslim woman is not forced to display herself to find a husband. She does not lower herself into competition with other women, using her body as a lure. Secondly, the Muslim women supports no man. Her property is off limits to her husband. It is his duty to provide for her and her children, regardless of her personal wealth. Thirdly, the man has no right to physically harm his wife. While some western scholars negate this by quoting from the Quran that a man is allowed to beat his wife, they fail to mention that the only condoned instrument for this beating is a siwak. (A siwak is a piece of wood, used as a toothbrush, about as thick as a pencil, and about half the length.) It is highly doubtful that this instrument could cause a child any damage, much less a woman."

The second and third reason is hilarious.

The Western concept of women's freedom and rights, in reality, equates women's rights to their "right" to three main things:

1. Taking off their clothes or wearing skimpy clothes.

2. Taking on jobs outside of the home

3. Mixing with men.

Sigh, there goes the drinking, clubbing, wearing halter tops or skimpy dresses. And all the guy friends and exes...can't talk to them anymore. As to the 9-5 gig, sigh, geez women will just have to sit on their butts all day, do a little cooking and maybe switch to commodities trading or something from home. Ok, I'm just joking... who knows what the heck I'll do (I don't even know myself) and men say that women can't make up their minds lol.

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