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Buddhist marry Muslim
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:02 am |
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Quoting mltm: In Turkey in particular which cultural group practises honor killings or forced honor suicides? |
This is not and in fact cannot be a problem of any nations or cultural groups, but that of practisers of a religion.
Quoting mltm:
They're also muslims, |
At last- you accept that! 
Quoting mltm: but in İslam is there something like that? |
So, can you define any cultural group or nation like the following?:
".... are who do honor killings."
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:04 am |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting panta rei: and thus correct your statement like the following:
"Some muslims do honor killings."
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Then let me do this:
Muslims:
- Turkish muslims:
- Kurds:
- kurds living in feodal patriarchal culture:
- traditions:
- honor killings
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That is very judgemental and generalizing.
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:10 am |
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Ok, it's out of the original subject. Anyway, I showed a fact. Honor killings are widespread in the kurdistan region, so it's a patriarchal cultural thing rather than islamic.
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:13 am |
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Quoting mltm:
Then let me do this:
Muslims:
- Turkish muslims:
- Kurds:
- kurds living in feodal patriarchal culture:
- traditions:
- honor killings
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The problem is not Turkish or Kurdish muslims. I can give you tons of similar examples (not honor killings, still similar ones-but this is not the case) from Turkish muslims- the muslims that are from the west of Turkey.
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:13 am |
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azade, I don't understand what is generalizing here. So, you reject that honor killings are practised by the kurdish tribes as part of their patriarchal traditional culture? I cannot make it less generalizing.
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:16 am |
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Quoting mltm: part of their patriarchal traditional culture? |
Under that patriarchial and feudal culture lies nothing but Islam!
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:19 am |
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Quoting panta rei:
This is not and in fact cannot be a problem of any nations or cultural groups, but that of practisers of a religion.
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No, they don't do it as part of their religion. If you look at the girls of these families, most of them don't even wear veils. They are not fanatic muslims. And they don't scream as "Allahü Ekber" as they do it. And when they explain their reason for doing it, they say that "the girl has shamed their family and they have done it for the reputation of their family".
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:20 am |
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Quoting mltm: azade, I don't understand what is generalizing here. So, you reject that honor killings are practised by the kurdish tribes as part of their patriarchal traditional culture? I cannot make it less generalizing. |
Yes I reject that statement.
It is not practiced excessively by kurds. There are (regretfully) always a few rotten berries everywhere, so to speak. Have you ever stayed with a kurdish family? They are, as a people, one of the most loving and close knit you can ever find.
See post 143.
Anyway this is waaay of topic. The original topic author was simply asking some advice and she's getting nothing out of this
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:22 am |
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Quoting azade:
Yes I reject that statement.
It is not practiced excessively by kurds. There are (regretfully) always a few rotten berries everywhere, so to speak. Have you ever stayed with a kurdish family? They are, as a people, one of the most loving and close knit you can ever find.
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I am sure that kurds are lovely people in general, but in the kurdish tribes that cruel punishment exist.
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:24 am |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting azade:
Yes I reject that statement.
It is not practiced excessively by kurds. There are (regretfully) always a few rotten berries everywhere, so to speak. Have you ever stayed with a kurdish family? They are, as a people, one of the most loving and close knit you can ever find.
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I am sure that kurds are lovely people in general, but in the kurdish tribes that cruel punishment exist. |
And it exists in many other cultures as well.
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:27 am |
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Quoting mltm:
No, they don't do it as part of their religion. If you look at the girls of these families, most of them don't wear even veils. |
I presume you don't wear veil either. And in that case you mustn't be a muslim either.
Quoting mltm:
They are not fanatic muslims. |
Do they have to be so? Do you desire they become fanatic or you mean you would regard them as muslims providing that they are "fanatic"?
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And they don't scream as "Allahü Ekber" as they do it. |
Is this really a sign that they aren't muslims?
Quoting mltm:
And when they explain their reason to do it, they say that "the girl has shamed them and they do it for the reputation of their family".
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The term "shame" is religious as well as cultural.
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