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Buddhist marry Muslim
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05 May 2007 Sat 12:54 am |
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Quoting CANLI:
As i recall,its forbidden to drink alcohol |
I think this is wrong; because in Christianity (red) wine, for example, is believed and considered to symbolize "the blood of Jesus", that's why even in Churchs Christians are served wine.
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05 May 2007 Sat 01:00 am |
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What i really dont understand, whey we are always in this position?
Why we are always have to defend our rules and explain them?
Why we always have to argue about what WE believe ?!
God,i dont accept some rules in Christianity too ,it cant pass on my mind,not logic to me,same in Torah.
But its Christianity,or Torah rules,its that religions rules,so i accept it as it is,i dont judge,i dont look at it from above,and look at you as if you dont have any sense of joining that religion !
Ohhh,i really fed up of that !
You are talking about woman's right in İslam .
And how about woman's rights in Christianity,in Torah ??!
honor killing ?
Hmmm,how about honor killing in India,in Japan,China,...
Are they also Muslims ?
Do they practice İslam too ?!
And how about women rights there ?!!
How about woman rights in Western ?
How about woman dont earn same salary as a man even if they are in same position not for anything except she is a woman !
How about violence against women ?!
How about rates of husbands beating their wives ?
How about all of that ?
That too is İslam ?
Why the heck its always about İslam,trying to prove its a bad religion and Muslims are monsters ?!
Why its always about İslam ?!
What have we done to you that bad ?!
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05 May 2007 Sat 01:02 am |
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Quoting mltm: I wanted to tell that they were not fanatics at all since killings are done by fanatics of that religion if they're done for religious reasons. |
Whether honor killings are committed by fanatic or non-fanatic muslims can only be a footnote to the subject. The actual fact remains the same- they are committed by ones who believe in Islam.
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05 May 2007 Sat 01:08 am |
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Quoting kaddersokak: If u beleive in Allah, then why do you hate people who study Islam? are you smarter than a renown professor (Hayreddin Karaman)? Why do wee need teachers to understand maths and not just read the math book? are mat teachers telling us lies/ and what about christinaity? do you think the Christians should not listen their priests either? please tell us because you seem to know Islam better than prof. karaman |
Religion is not under anybody’s monopoly. Religion belongs to Allah.Why do you need to compare Islam with Christianity?.In Islam there is no clergy, religion is between God and the believer, don’t you know?(ahh i forgot you are the new evangelist muslims). Allah says Kur’an is clearly explained, can be undestood well. Then why ask a student when you can learn from The Teacher? There are also some scholars throughout the history, and some say Kur’an is incomplete, some think women are sex captives etc do you think they do not study Islam? Why do i need to believe in Hayrettin Karaman, does he know better than Allah? I have my mind moreover when people far away from Kur’an, there always exist seyhs, şıhs to exploit religion and people’s beliefs.
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05 May 2007 Sat 01:14 am |
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What happened here? this thread gone out of topic 
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05 May 2007 Sat 01:16 am |
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Quoting panta rei: Quoting mltm: I wanted to tell that they were not fanatics at all since killings are done by fanatics of that religion if they're done for religious reasons. |
Whether honor killings are committed by fanatic or non-fanatic muslims can only be a footnote to the subject. The actual fact remains the same- they are committed by ones who believe in Islam. |
But it is an incomplete conclusion, and thus it causes error and leads to misinterpretation because while large groups of muslims do not practice it, only certain groups pratice it, that generalizing is like concluding tthat "the actual fact remains the same, the ones that commit the honor killings are the men, then men commit honor killings" it's right but incomplete as if like all men commit it. Usually all misinterpretations are because we don't care about the "footnotes".
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05 May 2007 Sat 01:20 am |
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Armegon if your guys would find out what you are defending here, they wont like it at all. Remember the photo, the guy you are suggesting for being president and most democratic around country, sitting on his knees, next to some sheikh. They are accepting a students lessons, why you are not?
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05 May 2007 Sat 01:23 am |
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"IN Europe right now the statistics of male violence against female partners are terrible. For European women aged 16-44 violence in the home is the primary cause of injury and death, more lethal than road accidents and cancer. Between 25% and 50% of women are victims of this violence. In Portugal 52.8% of women say that they have been violently treated by their husbands or partners. In Germany almost 300 women a year - or three women every four days - are killed by men with whom they used to live. In Britain one woman dies in similar circumstances every three days.
In Spain it is one every four days. In France six women die this way every month: 33% of them are knifed, 33% shot, 20% strangled and 10% beaten (1). In the 15 member states of the European Union (before enlargement to 25), more than 600 women die every year because of sexist brutality in the family (2).
The profile of the aggressor is not what you might imagine. There is a public perception that these types of killers tend to be from poor backgrounds and with little education. That is not the case. The death of the actress Marie Trintignant, who was killed on 6 August 2003 by her partner, a famous artist, is an example.
A report from the Council of Europe (3) says that "it is even proved that the incidence of domestic violence seems to increase with income and level of education". It stresses that in the Netherlands "almost half of all those who commit violence against women hold university degrees". In France attackers are usually men whose professional status gives them a degree of power. A sizeable percentage of the attackers are management personnel (67%), health professionals (25%) and officers in the police or army (4).
Another misconception is that violence of this kind is more common in the macho cultures of southern Europe than in northern countries. Here too the image needs adjustment. Romania is the European country with the worst record: every year almost 13 in every million women there are killed by their male partners.
However, next on the dismal honours list come countries where women’s rights are highly respected. In Finland more than eight in every million women are killed in the home every year: the list runs on down through Norway (6.58), Luxembourg (5.56), Denmark (5.42) and Sweden (4.59). Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland in fact come at the bottom of the list."
by By Ignacio Ramonet, LE MONDE DIPLOMATIQUE
So, what is the thing in common in all these countries? Being a muslim country?
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05 May 2007 Sat 01:25 am |
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Quoting aslı: Armegon if your guys would find out what you are defending here, they wont like it at all. Remember the photo, the guy you are suggesting for being president and most democratic around country, sitting on his knees, next to some sheikh. They are accepting a students lessons, why you are not? |
Exactly Aslı!!
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05 May 2007 Sat 01:34 am |
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Quoting mltm: "IN Europe right now the statistics of male violence against female partners are terrible. For European women aged 16-44 violence in the home is the primary cause of injury and death, more lethal than road accidents and cancer. Between 25% and 50% of women are victims of this violence. In Portugal 52.8% of women say that they have been violently treated by their husbands or partners. In Germany almost 300 women a year - or three women every four days - are killed by men with whom they used to live. In Britain one woman dies in similar circumstances every three days.
In Spain it is one every four days. In France six women die this way every month: 33% of them are knifed, 33% shot, 20% strangled and 10% beaten (1). In the 15 member states of the European Union (before enlargement to 25), more than 600 women die every year because of sexist brutality in the family (2).
The profile of the aggressor is not what you might imagine. There is a public perception that these types of killers tend to be from poor backgrounds and with little education. That is not the case. The death of the actress Marie Trintignant, who was killed on 6 August 2003 by her partner, a famous artist, is an example.
A report from the Council of Europe (3) says that "it is even proved that the incidence of domestic violence seems to increase with income and level of education". It stresses that in the Netherlands "almost half of all those who commit violence against women hold university degrees". In France attackers are usually men whose professional status gives them a degree of power. A sizeable percentage of the attackers are management personnel (67%), health professionals (25%) and officers in the police or army (4).
Another misconception is that violence of this kind is more common in the macho cultures of southern Europe than in northern countries. Here too the image needs adjustment. Romania is the European country with the worst record: every year almost 13 in every million women there are killed by their male partners.
However, next on the dismal honours list come countries where women’s rights are highly respected. In Finland more than eight in every million women are killed in the home every year: the list runs on down through Norway (6.58), Luxembourg (5.56), Denmark (5.42) and Sweden (4.59). Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland in fact come at the bottom of the list."
by By Ignacio Ramonet, LE MONDE DIPLOMATIQUE
So, what is the thing in common in all these countries? Being a muslim country? |
i would say violence against women are is common in muslim countries. women in western Europe are counted as individuals. but in many of muslim countries they just should obey their husbands. I am sorry but this is what I think. there is no honour killing in Europe. especially in rural regions in Turkey violence and sexual abuse are very common. do not judge Turkey just by looking at istanbul or touristic resorts...
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05 May 2007 Sat 01:38 am |
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the fact that the 'honor killings' are given this name to a religion instead of individuals is hurtful and slanderous and made for media headlines to scare non-muslims to fear the 'religion' itself. my personal opinion. when in any other country where there is a 'murder' he/she is simply called a murderer, a 'gang' member, a scorned spouse or stalker, etc.
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