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Is it

                             - it is difficult to forget her OR

                             - it is difficult for her to forget OR

                             - is it meaningless   ?

I didn´t. Someone else did.

But I think -Abil- stands for ´sometimes´ in the English sentence. "It is possible that (in some occasions) X happened." I wish I could produce similar examples (in some language...).

Thanks.

The example is from a grammar book (Göksel – Kerslake 2005). I do understand its function in that context is to show in which order grammatical suffixes are attached to a verb stem. So, it doesn’t have to be real language. What was interesting to me is how long grammatical formations Turks use in real life. In theory very long and complicated words are possible, of course, but at some point of complexity lexical means are preferred. That is what happened also when natives answered my question.

I wonder why they have used the stem döK- even though in contemporary language it is known as döv-. Anyway.

Neither harp00n nor AlphaF chose to use modal markers -DIr for ‘it is apparently the case that’ and –Abil- for ‘sometimes’ but used more words to express these things.

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It is apparently the case that you sometimes were not made to fight.

An important form of embedding, not so often discussed here. Thank you for bringing it up, lana-.

We rarely see this verb as an example these days. Perharps educationists think if it is said loud people run immediately to the kiosk and buy cigarettes.

You have a nice retro spirit attitude, Carlenson.

When talking about amounts, a numeral (and kaç respectively, I suppose) is rarely used alone. Either there is a noun or it is replaced (or accompanied) with tane. tane means ´grain´ but it can be used quite widely for small and big things. This example is from our own lessons:

                          - Buralarda bisiklet kiralayan bir dükkan var mı?

                          - Postanenin yanında bir tane olmalı.

(´Is there a shop hiring bicycles here? There should be one next to the post office.´ )

The meaning of tane is concrete. For instance

                            iki saat ´two hours´

                            iki tane saat ´two clocks´

The similar replacement for a person is kişi, for cattle, cabbages and onions baş.

BERTOLT BRECHT: ÖĞRENMENİN ÖVGÜSÜ / IN PRAISE OF LEARNING

(Çeviren: Hasan Kuruyazıcı)

En basitini öğren!

Zamanı gelenler için

hiç bir zaman geç değildir!

Abc’yi öğren, yeterli değil,

ama öğren!

Tembelliğe kapılma, başla!

Her şeyi bilmelisin!

Öncülüğü üstlenmek zorundasın.

Learn the elementary things!
For those whose time has come
it is never too late!
Learn the ABC. It won’t be enough,
But learn it!
Don’t give way to sloth. Begin!
You must know everything.
You must take over the leadership.

 

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Barınaktaki adam, öğren!

Hapisteki adam, öğren!

Mutfaktaki kadın, öğren!

Altmış yaşındaki, öğren!

Sen öncülüğü üstlenmek zorundasın.

Learn, man in the asylum!
Learn, man in the prison!
Learn, woman in the kitchen!
Learn, sixty-year-old!
You must take over the leadership.

 

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Evsiz-barksız olan, okula git!

Soğuktan titreyen, bilgiye sahip ol!

Aç olan, kitaba sarıl:

o bir silahtır.

Sen öncülüğü üstlenmek zorundasın.

Go to school, you who are homeless!
Acquire knowledge, you who shiver from cold!
You who are hungry, reach out for the book:
it is a weapon.
You must take over the leadership.

 

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Soru sormaktan çekinme yoldaş!

Kendini kandırtma,

kendin bak!

Kendin bilmediğini,

bilmiyorsundur.

Faturayı kontrol et.

Onu sen ödeyeceksin.

Parmağını her kaleme koy.

Sor: Bu, buraya nereden geldi?

Sen öncülüğü üstlenmek zorundasın.”

Don’t be afraid to ask, comrade!
Don’t be talked into anything.
Check for yourself!
What you do not know yourself
you don’t know.
Scrutinize the bill,
it is you who must pay it.
Put your finger on each item,
ask: how did this get there ?
You must take over the leadership.

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Look at the text, learners. So simple sentences, yet so many grammar points. To learn.

My Try:

Besides, there is no big stress. Your telephone will be good enough. I believe my father actually wants a touch phone but bring the one that you want.

döğ|üş|tür|t|ül|me|yebil|iyor|muş|sunuz|dur

No?

Ok, harp00n, as you are so clever how would you say in Turkish

                 It is apparently the case that you (pl.) sometimes were not made to fight.

Let´s see if you Turks really use all these long words or if they are pure theory.

I don´t mind if someone else replies either...