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Thread: PREFIX IN TURKISH

1801.       Abla
3648 posts
 18 Jul 2012 Wed 01:53 pm

Quote:si++

Importing some words with some prefix in them doesn´t mean we have that prefix in our language functional. It means it´s  just another loan word.

 

I just wanted to say loanwords belong to Turkish vocabulary just like homespun elements do. Not every speaker carries an etymological dictionary in his pocket.

 

Another thing is if the prefix gayri really doesn´t have any productivity at all in the target language. Maybe it was not needed: değil exists, olmayan exists, -sIz exists. It´s meaning as a prefix seems to be recognized by folks anyway because it is used independently as well. (Another alternative is there are two borrowed elements here, prefix gayri and adjective gayri.)



Thread: PREFIX IN TURKISH

1802.       Abla
3648 posts
 18 Jul 2012 Wed 10:13 am

Quote:si++

As for gayri, I cannot think of any Turkish word it is applied to (If you know let me know). So I don´t consider it a prefix in Turkish either (It just appears in Arabic loans).

 

You are right, I can´t find any Turkish origin words combined with gayri.

 

But now we come to basic questions: aren´t kanuni, maddi, safi, ciddi Turkish words in your opinion?

 

Besides, I find examples of gayri used as an adjective, even a pronoun with Turkish possessive suffix. Just like başka. The dictionary gives

 

                             Gayri bir şey o.

                             Bu ilacın gayrisi yok.

 



Edited (7/18/2012) by Abla



Thread: PREFIX IN TURKISH

1803.       Abla
3648 posts
 18 Jul 2012 Wed 09:25 am

Maybe the Arabic gayri-?

 

Most of them are not productive, of course, maybe not even in their language of origin. But at least people who went to schools understand what anti- or oto- add to the meaning of the word.

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Thread: E - T please

1804.       Abla
3648 posts
 17 Jul 2012 Tue 05:27 pm

Yes.



Thread: The Name of Istanbul

1805.       Abla
3648 posts
 17 Jul 2012 Tue 05:03 pm

 

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safiye_Sultan

http://blog.milliyet.com.tr/safiye-sultan-in-sirri----/Blog/?BlogNo=136409

 

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

Safiye Sultan´ın Sırrı

 

 

Safiye Sultan, originally Venetian Sofia Baffo began her career in Manisa harem. She soon became the crown prince’s favourite. When Murat III inherited the throne after his father died in 1574 one of the first things he ordered was to bring Safiye to Istanbul.

 

Safiye is described as a relatively negative character in the Ottoman history. After controlling his husband she continued to rule the whole country as Valide Sultan during the reign of her son. Mehmed III had to face some hard times before he acquired the throne of Ottoman Empire. For instance some sources say his 19 brothers had to be murdered first.

 

Mehmed’s mum was a wealthy woman.

 

İmparatorun en güçlü insanı oluverdi Safiye…Ondan habersiz tek bir tayin yapılmıyor, her atama için ona hediye adı altında rüşvet veriliyordu…Sadrazam Koca Sinan Paşa öldüğü vakit mirası 600.000 altın lira, 3.000.000 gümüş akçe, 29 çekmece elmas, 62 çekmece inci, 30 iri elmas ve kilolarca kıymetli taş, altın sofra takımları, zırhlar ve benzeleriydi. Tabii ki bu, devlet soyularak edinilmiş bir servetti. Safiye became the most important person in the Empire. Nothing was initiated without informing her, for every step bribery was paid for her in the name of a gift. When Grand Vizier Sinan Pasha died her heritage was 600.000 gold lira, 3.000.000 silver coins, 29 trunks of diamonds, 62 trunks of pearls, 30 huge diamonds and kilos of jewels, golden dinner sets and corselets and the like. Of course, this was property which had been robbed from the state.

 

When talking about successful women historians often see their greed and outrage in a worse light than greed and outrage of great men. How many princes Sultans ordered to be killed just because harem women intrigued them to do so? If a former concubine has ambitions are they always selfish and low?

    (Malika Safiyya Mosque in Cairo)

 

 



Edited (7/17/2012) by Abla



Thread: turkish to english

1806.       Abla
3648 posts
 16 Jul 2012 Mon 11:18 pm

Quote:maryistanbul

yarin geriye kalan omrunuzun ilk gunu

 

Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of our life.

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Thread: The word groups in Turkish

1807.       Abla
3648 posts
 16 Jul 2012 Mon 07:43 pm

These word queues can modify either nouns

 

ayağı yalın kız

yalın ayaklı kız

 

or verbs

 

Kız ayak yalın koştu

Kız ayak yalınken koştu.

 

Right?



Thread: Words to a song.....

1808.       Abla
3648 posts
 16 Jul 2012 Mon 06:51 pm

Ey vefasız beni yaktın yanasın.
Sen de benim gibi darda kalasın.

Bana ettiklerin bir gün bulasın.
Daima ah edip zarda kalasın.

Benden uzak, yar kendinden bulasın,
benden uzak, sen kendinden bulasın.

Hasbahçe içinde güllerin sola.
O gördüğün güller benimle ola.
Kahrı felek ile gidesin yola,
sinen ateşlerde narda kalasın.

Benden uzak, yar kendinden bulasın,
benden uzak, sen kendinden bulasın.

Dilerim içinde durmaya sızın,
Süverek aşıdır çekilmez nazın,
Ne baharın ola, ne de bir yazın,
dört mevsim içinde karda kalasın

Benden uzak, yar kendinden bulasın,
benden uzak, sen kendinden bulasın.

 

______________________

 

I never saw this much subjunctives in one place, aren´t they archaic? The speaker is envisaging how every evil happens to the person who betrayed her.

 

I kind of liked it myself, too.

 




Edited (7/16/2012) by Abla



Thread: T-E pleasee :)

1809.       Abla
3648 posts
 16 Jul 2012 Mon 04:22 pm

It is about saying something important in your native language instead of using supranational trademarks.

 

Of course.



Thread: The word groups in Turkish

1810.       Abla
3648 posts
 16 Jul 2012 Mon 04:18 pm

baş açıkken, ayak yalınken, omuzlar düşükken, karnı tokken...the same thing or what?



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