Did it make any sense Melek74?

Like Melek said - and some important info on the top of that:

It is very important to diferentiate reflexive and passive voice, as both are made by adding -l or -n suffix...

Do you use the -l suffix for the reflexive as well? From what I´ve read I thought only the --n/-in suffix was used for the reflexive and -il/-n/-in for the passive.

The difference is,

Passive voice always uses 3. person, and the subject is unknown. 

Bina yakýldý.. The building is burnt..

if you want to mention the subject, then you say ..... tarafindan, like in english by......

In English it´s possible to use passive voice in other persons as well, for example, I was burnt by the fire. Would that be possible in Turkish, for example: Ben yakýldým ateþ tarafinda? (or something like that?)

While reflexive voice can be used for every person, and the subject is the person himself, so no need to say kendi-.... 

I think kendi- would be used when it´s the object of the verb, right?

taranmak

süslenmek

giyinmek

atýlmak - to begin, to go into (the meaning wold be to be thrown if used as passive voice)

katýlmak

yýkanmak

temizlenmek

edinmek

kapanmak - to seclude oneself in (passive voice meaning - to be closed)

söylenmek - as in to complain (passive voice meaning - to be said)

kýrýlmak - to be hurt (the meaning would be to be broken if used as passive voice)

The suffixes are added to these words like any other word.

Almost all the verbs can be used as passive voice, but they can´t be reflexive...  the reflective meaning, and the passive voice meaning are not the same, but written exactly the same way.

For those verbs that there is no reflexive, but we want to use it like reflexive, then we use kendi with regular verbs (not passive voice) and also just to strengthen the meaning.

Check Melek´s link for this...

I hope it helps.

Hi Fellows

I have problem with reflexive verbs - can someone kindly explain:-

1.  Can ´case´ & ´person´ and ´tense´ suffixes [other than 3rd person, aorist tense] be added to these?

2.  If in doubt, how can one use ´Kendi´ to make the meaning clear.

I have resorted to several ´Teach Yourself´ books but the topic is not clarified in my mind! [Budalaiyim]

The books fail to provide enough EXAMPLES, they seem to give lot of verbal explanations [worst of all being being -Colloquial Turkish].

I have tried to focus on ´generally´ used verbs like, bilmek, etmek, yapmak, yazmak, konuþmak, ðörmek, çýkmak, çekmek, sormak, kapmak ... etc.

Every book seems to give only one general exaple by referring to ´Yikanmak´ [to clean oneself] !!  I seem to understand the ´concept´ but do not find ´variety´ of exemplar sentences [with their respective translation] in order to expand my understanding.

If it is too much to explain, even a reference to ´link´ will be welcome.

Any examples that I have come accross, seem always to refer to a ´Reflexive´ in [3rd Person, Aorist tense] like:-

> olunur, denir, bulunur, söylenir - etc.

Please forgive any spelling errors  [I am dyslexic and can´t help it].

Thank you.

Tazx1

Look at is this way.  I leaned a new word.  I now know that diþi means female.

 totally off track again!!!

I´m going to leave off translating for a while!!

 I think that maybe someone is joking with A woman´s place is in the home. I could be being very judgemental and getting it wrong though so wait for corrections.

Burasý - in this place

evin - your house

diþi - woman

I am not quite understanding something.

For example I am looking at a sentence from Rosetta Stone program "Mansanýn üstündeki kýz ip atlýyor"

So "a girl is jumping rope on top of the table", however, I do not understand the addition of the "ki" to the word üstünde. Why, what does it do.

Any explanation will be greatly appreciated.

Oh Thank you so much Melek74! These are so helpful for me!

Can anyone explain to me please why the following words do not follow the consonant harmony word mutation rule and if there is an exception to apply the rule, if so when?

saç + -e = saça and not saca

top + e = topa and not toba

kek + e = keke and not keðe

at + e = ata and not ada

thank you for your help.