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16 Sep 2006 Sat 07:22 am |
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Quoting Chrisfer: So I'm pretty sure I've seen both [verb stem + se + di + personal suffix] and also [verb stem + di + se + personal suffix].
Ex.
Gelseydim...
Geldiysem...
First, are these both correct?
Second, do they have the same meaning?
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gelseydim: shows us that I don't/didn't come (fictitious) "if i came"
geldiysem: says something about past and "if" conditional for real (not fictitious), "if i came" (by the way, this sounds like "i don't remember what i did... i may have come or not")
Eve gelseydim televizyon izlerdim
If i came home, i would watch TV
Eve geldiysem ne olmuş?
What happened if i came?
Let me say that for second and third person:
gelseydi: if he came (unreal condition)
Maça gelseydi, beraber oynardık
If he came to the match, we would play together
geldiyse: if he has come(real condition) (sorry about my English if this sentence is wrong)
Maça geldiyse parasını ödemeli
If he came to the match, he must pay it.
or "If he has come" (for general condition... not fictitious)
bilseydin: if you knew (unreal)
Nerde olduğumu bilseydin bana kızardın
If you knew where i were, you would be angry with me
uçabilseydin: if you could fly (unreal)
Uçabilseydin nereye gitmek isterdin?
Where you would like to go if you could fly?
ağlasaydı: if he cried (unreal)
Ağlasaydı annesi ona bağırmazdı
If she cried, her mother wouldn't shout her
ağladıysa: if he cried (general)
Ağladıysa çok üzülmüştür
If he cried, he must be very upset (he must become very upset)
uçtuysa: if it flied (general)
Uçtuysa bir daha gelmez.
If it flied, it won't come back.
As you see,
+di+(y)sa= General condition
yaptıysa
gittiyse
baktıysa
koştuysa
+sa+(y)di= Unreal condition
yapsaydı
gitseydi
baksaydı
koşsaydı
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, or you ask just the meaning of "değil"?