ladywriter,
thank you for suggesting a website. The link you gave is already in our list in number two:
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_6_1448
Of course I have checked them all because I had to. I have also checked many other sources in Turkish before I gave the last form to my tables you see above. Even the sources in Turkish have many mistakes let alone websites created by foreigners. There is no standart chart on this field. The version you see above is not available anywhere else.
I hope it will make it easier than verbix for the learners to learn the tenses. Verbix and my charts are different in a number of ways. First of all I havent yet included the question, negative and negative question conjugations.
Other than that verbix following some old dated Turkish sources lists the third person plural personal suffix -lar in the incorrect place.
It suggests geletiler, gelecekmişler, gelecekseler etc. but it should be the other way. I have listed them as geleceklerdi, geleceklermiş, geleceklerse,... with the ler in front of the tense suffix.
Other than that there are many incorrect and outdated entries on verbix. Of course this is not a mistake by the people who created verbix but the Turkish sources are outdated as well.
For instance verbix following Turkish sources suggest the following:
Subjunctive mood tenses
ben geleyim
sen gelesin
o gele
biz gelelim
siz gelesiniz
onlar geleler
I have omitted these except both first persons: ben geleyim, biz gelelim. We don't use the others. We don't say, "sen gelesin", "o gele", "siz gelesiniz", "onlar geleler". These are replaced with imperatives: "Sen gel", "o gelsin", "siz gelin", "onlar gelsin" (or "onlar gelsinler").
If verbix or any other place had the correct version of tenses there wouldnt be a need for me to create new charts. But I couldn't find a single correct chart anywhere.
If you check my imperatives and subjunctives on the first table you will see that they two make a whole tense together. They could be put together with a single name. As far as I know this is the first time the problem with imperatives and subjunctives is solved this way. There is an argument for years about the imperatives and subjunctives.
Erdinç
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