If it is at the begining of a phrase (usually it is after a comma) then ki means "in fact", "but actually" or "indeed". It is a conjunction.

Greetings ~ OS ~ ,
What we want is to help Turkish learners. If somebody learns Turkish and knows speaks Arabic, then Arabic should help that person in learning Turkish. The question is, "which words can the Arabic speaker us in Turkish safely"?

We are going to find the answer to that question. Since there were many people interested on this subject I have decided to return to work on this issue. We are going to follow these steps:

Step 1. According TDK (Turkish Language Institution, http://www.tdk.org.tr/ ) There are 6453 words in Turkish that are from Arabic origin. We need to get the whole list on a document so we can work on it.

Step 2: We need to eliminate those words that are not used anymore in daily life in Turkish. I will delete all the words an average Turkish person wouldn't understand.
Examples:
badehu
badema
badiye
bağdadi
bahir
bahname

I will leave all the words an average Turk will understand.
Examples:
badire
bahar
baharat
bahis

I thing at the end of this step there will be aroun 2500 words left. There are too many words that have been replaced with words with Turkish origin. Maybe some old people will understand some of these replaced words but we can not include them as they wouldn't be useful for Turkish language learners to use in daily life in Turkia.

Step 3:
Our native Arabic members will check these 2500 words and will confirm that they indeed understand those words. If a native Arabic speaker doesn't understand words like these below we will remove them from the list.

badire
bahar
baharat
bahis

Lets say there wi,ll be 2490 words left.

Step 4: Probably TDK will have missed some words. We will ask our native Arabic members to add more words that are not in the list. Of course I will confirm an average Turk will understand them. I will also check the words that have been posted in this thread.
Let's say there will be 2530 words at the end of this step.

Step 5:
I will finalize the list and will post it here. Other Turkish members will check the list and they too will confirm they can understand these words.

Anyway, for now you don't need to do anything. I'm on step two now and when I have cleared the list I will post it here.
Bye
Erdinç

Yes, I too have realised that ss sound at the end of 1st and 7th line. The man you hear is a famous Turkish actor and he thinks he looks more sexy when talking languidly. So, nothing special here. Just pronounce 'var' and 'ne kadar' as you would do with any other r.

Well, yeah. It is unclear. Maybe I just like how old people pronounce the word.

Greetings Bod,
R being at the end of a word or somewhere else doesn't matter. What counts is the syllables (heceler). We pronounce according syllables.

Example 1:
Ankara > an ka ra
It has the syllables 'an', 'ka' and 'ra'. This means, no matter in what word you see the syllables 'an' 'ka' or 'ra' they should be pronounced the same. For instance 'para' has the syllables 'pa' and 'ra', so this 'ra' is exactly the same 'ra' as in Ankara.

Example 2:
Sarı > sa rı
darı > da rı

The 'rı' will be the same 'rı' in both words.


Example 3:
Gelirim > ge li rim
deri > de ri
Here you see two different syllables with r. The first one has 'rim' and the other one has 'ri'. I agree that the r in both sound different. Well that's again because the syllables. ri ends with a vowel and this will make the r sound sharper and more defined. rim ends with a consonant and because of this m at the end you can't make the r sound too defined. One syllables is one sound.

If you can find two identical syllables that (like the two 'ra's or 'rı's) that are written the same and have different sounds then it would be interesting. Of course there will be some Arabic originated words with different a, i and e 's like hala and hâlâ.

The word 'bir' is not a good example to talk about. 'Bir' the most famous word that isn't pronounced as it is. We normally say 'bi'. Except 'bir' the second most famous word is 'istanbul' which is pronounced as 'ıstanbul' (with ı ).

Well, I think if you are Turkish and have no problem with the word Turkey then you can just continue using it. I have a problem with that word and I'm not using it. I don't find it funny that a silly animal and my country have the same name. Sooner or later we will get that word officially changed.

Hi Bod,
In that thread I haven't written 'Türkia' but I wrote 'Turkia', without any Turkish characters.

'Turkia' is the English equalent to Türkiye.

You might say, "wait a minute, we already have a word for 'Türkiye' which is 'Turkey'." Yes, I know but its not a good word, is it?

I think Turkia is a good alternative to Turkey. It already exists in some languages, it sounds good and probably it is easy to pronounce for native English speakers and when it is pronounced by natives it sounds smillar to Türkiye. Obviously in English we can't use Türkiye since it has Turkish characters and Turkiye (with u) is not very good according English sound harmony.

I'm using it everywhere on every occasion. I think when enough people prefer that word the existing word will be officially replaced. Well, let's hope so.

It is on number 21 on the big list.

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_6_1448