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Thread: just got another one

601.       erdinc
2151 posts
 14 Jul 2006 Fri 12:18 am

This place is "Kız Kumu". It is near Marmaris.

http://www.geocities.com/ihsant/images/kizkumu032.jpg



Thread: I. Mastar Hali - The Infinitive

602.       erdinc
2151 posts
 13 Jul 2006 Thu 03:36 am

Actually it is the other way. English has a verb on every sentence but Turkish hasn't.

The sentence, "Turkish is not difficult" has the verb "to be" (am,is,are,was,were,has been, have been).

In Turkish we have noun sentences. For instance, these are noun sentences:

1. "Türkçe öğrenmek hiç zor değil."
2. "Türkçe hiç zor değil."
3. "Türkçe zor değil."
4. "Türkçe çok kolay."
5. "Nilüfer, çok iyi bir müzisyen."
6. "Bu müzik çok güzel."

I only included the second part with a conjugable verb as I thought you wanted to make it that way. Noun sentences don't have a conjugable predicate (a verb that has a -mek form). "Öğrenmek" in the above sentence is a noun and stands there as an object in that sentence.

"Hiç" in the sentences above means "not at all". In other sentences it can mean "none", "never" or "ever".

Negative in noun sentences is either with "değil" or "yok".

Güzel değil. > Isn't nice.
Hiç güzel değil. > Isn't nice at all.

Bende para yok. > I don't have money.
Bende hiç para yok. > I don't have any money at all.

Negative in verb sentences is with negative suffix -me:
Ayşe geldi. > Ayşe came.
Ayşe gelmedi. > Ayşe didn't come.
Ayşe hiç gelmedi. > Ayşe never came.

Onu hiç sevmiyorum. > I don't like her at all.

You can use "hiç" in affirmative verb sentences:

İstanbul'a hiç gittin mi?
Have you ever been to İstanbul?



Thread: Studying Turkish

603.       erdinc
2151 posts
 13 Jul 2006 Thu 03:26 am

The verbal noun suffixes are used (there are two: -ma/me and -mak/mek) whenever the object is a verbal noun.

In Turkish the structure of a basic sentence is like this:

Subject + Object + Predicate.

Example:

Ben / kitap / okuyorum.
S / O / P

In this example the object is undefined. If it is a certain object (direct object) then we apply the object suffix (accusative case suffix, -ı,-i,-u,-ü). Example:

Ben / bu kitabı / okudum.
S / O / P

Assuming the object is an action. Let's say we are talking about an action not about an object. Example:

Ben / yüzmeyi / seviyorum. (I / swimming / like)
S / O / P

In this last sentence the predicate (yüklem) is "seviyorum". "Ben" is the subject. "Yüzmeyi" is the object. Objects are nouns or noun phrases (as in "bu kitabı"). "Yüzmeyi" is also a noun. As you see it has an accusative case suffix as a normal noun would take.

yüz + me+ y + i
verb stem + verbal noun suffix + buffer letter + accusative case suffix

"yüzme" is certainly not an ordinary noun. It is derived from a verb and is the name of an action. Therefore we call it a verbal noun.

All infinitives are verbal nouns as well. For instance "yüzmek" is also a verbal noun. An infinitive is a verb's noun form. "yüzme" is the short infinitive.

Here is another example:

(Ben) / Seni görmeyi / istiyorum. (I / see you / want)
S / O / P



Thread: I. Mastar Hali - The Infinitive

604.       erdinc
2151 posts
 13 Jul 2006 Thu 02:25 am

Quoting _Canlı:

Nilüfer şarkıları dinlemek istiyorum.



Yes, this sentence is perfectly constructed. May I suggest the songs, "Kar Taneleri", "Erkekler Ağlamaz", "Ben Seni Seven Kadın" and "Seni Beklerim Öptüğün Yerde". Çok güzel şarkılar.

"Türkçe öğrinme hiç zor ama uzun"
This needs a bit correction. Here are alternatives:

1. "Türkçe öğrenmek hiç zor değil ama uzun sürüyor."
2. "Türkçe öğrenmek hiç zor değil ama zaman istiyor."
3. "Türkçe öğrenmek hiç zor değil ama çok zaman alıyor."

An easier alternative would be:
4. "Türkçe öğrenmek hiç zor değil ama çok çalışmak lazım."

"Seninle olmak istiyorum." Yes, this sentence is again perfectly constructed.



Thread: turkish email

605.       erdinc
2151 posts
 13 Jul 2006 Thu 02:09 am

Yes, its locked now. Thank you for your contribution.



Thread: Fafna Ejderha

606.       erdinc
2151 posts
 13 Jul 2006 Thu 02:07 am

"Fafna" is the subject. Subjects don't take case suffixes. It could take if it hadn't been the subject, it could take a case suffix. For instance:

"Ben fafna'dan ders alıyorum."

After I saw difficulties by Turkish learners I'm now rewriting my teaching materials that I have writen to use in my lessons.

There are some minor issues thrown inbetween but the basics of a beginners level Turkish in my opinion would be like this:

1. vowel harmony
2. question suffix
güzel > mi
3. infinitive
git -> mek
4. simple past tense
Ali denize gitti.
5. case suffixes
denize, denizde, denizden
6. negative suffix in simple past tense
gitmedi
7. personal suffixes
gitmedim, gitmedin
8. exercises:
-Sen denize gittin mi?
-Evet, gittim.
9.Present Continuous Tense:
-Sen İstanbul'a gidiyor musun?
-Hayır, gitmiyorum.

When this level is reached, there is a lot of reading work possible.

I wish there would be an experieced web designer to work with me on these issues to create some new contents and exercises.



Thread: turkish email

607.       erdinc
2151 posts
 12 Jul 2006 Wed 06:23 pm

Foreigners can not understand the level of annoyance religious propaganda causes among many Turks. You have no idea how sick minded those brainwashed people can be.



Thread: Teachers, beware of spoof e-mails (payment by cheques)

608.       erdinc
2151 posts
 11 Jul 2006 Tue 02:36 pm

I just got another spoof e-mail and I decided to warn others about this. You see two of these kind e-mails copied below. They come with different stories but they all have the same things in common.

1. The person wants to pay you by cheque and needs to know your address and full name. 2. For some reason you are asked to send back some of the money after you clear the cheque in a bank.
3. The bank then realizes that the cheque was fraudulent and requires it's money back. Be warned that banks have the legal right to get the money back from you. This is actually why people fall into this since they don't know that banks can ask for money if cheque turns out to be fraudulent.
4. You end up losing the money you have send back.

On this page the cheque fraud is explained related to buying goods.
http://www.gumtree.com/seller_fraud_alert.html

Be warned. Don't fall into it. They choose teachers that have been registered with some websites etc.

Quote:


Hello


Good day to you over there, I need a tutor for my son (Jerry), i got your advert while surfing through the internet and i really want my child to be taught by you.Jerry is 17 year old and easily catch up. I was base in France.

1.CHARGE FOR AN HOUR....
2.TOTAL CHARGES FOR 2 MONTH THAT HE WILL BE TAUGHT 3 TIMES PER WEEK..
3.FULL NAME
4.HOME ADDRESS
5.YOUR PHONE NUMBER...

My mode of payment will be by CHECK.Looking forward to read from you as soon as possible

Regards.

Mrs Taquita Campbell...



Quote:


Thanks very much for your mail.I'm very happy that you have Graduated.The
price is ok by me. 1 - 6 weeks a week is ok by me.
Kindly tell me how much it will cost my daughter for 6months to study with
you. Her native language is English.Formally he has a teacher sometimes
November but the Teacher lost his Wife, and he decided to quit teaching to
take proper care of his Family, after we might have payed him for
6months.After all said and done, he has agreed to make the cheque payment
to any teacher that we want to handle our daughter for us for the Turkish
Language. The Turkish language is very essential and important in my
daughter life.
I will like you to assure me that you are going to take proper care of my
daughter.As i'm ready to pay all her neccessary Expenses.
However, i will like you to get back to me with your mailing address where
the cheque payment will be send to.



Thread: Please, translate in English!!

609.       erdinc
2151 posts
 11 Jul 2006 Tue 01:44 pm

There are many incorrect spellings and these are not just typos. In general the language is very low level. I wouldn't bother.



Thread: does this mean anything?

610.       erdinc
2151 posts
 10 Jul 2006 Mon 09:23 pm

It is a name, most likely a last name. I'm sure there are lots of people with this last name. Last names in Turkish follow a certain pattern.

It is also likely to be a brands name. Many companies are using a last name as a brand name. If this name is used as a brand name then it is most likely to be used in a businness in preperty, estates or tourism industry. It sounds like a posh name.

It is also possible that it is a name of a place. It sounds familiar. There could be a small town with this name. I'm not sure.



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