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Thread: T-E

4461.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 31 May 2010 Mon 11:10 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

“…Bu kimseler hakkında henüz bir intibaya sahip
olamadıım…Bu şimdilik mümkün değil.
Bu kimselerin aile yapıları nasıldır, değer yargıları nedir, düşünce
yapıları neye göredir, sevgi ve saygıyı bilirler mi, neye inanırlar,

nasıl düşünürler, neyi düşünürler, ne yaparlar, nasıl yaşarlar,

anlamış değilim. 
Bir insanda, dürüstlük, temiz ahlak, gerçek –sahte değil-  arkadaşlık,
fedakarlık  ve iyi niyet ne kadar umurunuzda?…doğrusu
merak ediyorum…”

 

 I couldn´t have yet an impression about those people. This is not possible for now. I haven´t understood how these people´s family structures are, what their moral judgments are, according to what their thinking structures are or whether they know love or respect, what they believe, how they think, what they think, what they do, how they live.

 

In fact I wonder how much you care about honesty, clean morals, real -not fake- friendship, self sacrifice and good will in a person.



Thread: Kısa Lutfen Turkce - English

4462.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 31 May 2010 Mon 11:00 pm

 

Quoting Blue Butterfly

hayirli ogurlu olsun!!!! Allah sevenler a arilmasin!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

I do not know what he is trying to say?

tesekkurler

 

 May it be beneficial and fortunate. May Allah not separate the ones who love each other.



Thread: Kurdish children jailed in Turkey under anti-terror law

4463.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 31 May 2010 Mon 10:52 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I disagree with the limited affect of words. It also depends on where you say those words, and who you say them too. It´s not all about screamig, kicking and shouting. The biggest heroes in history are the people who used their mind and mouth as form of protest, and not their fists. I have the same talk with people who felt sympathy for the PKK, and I will have the same talk with people who feel like they have to jail children who say they support PKK. An intellectual approach towards any problem might work less well on the short term, but on the long term it is the only way that REALLY works.

 

As one of my personal heroes, Ghandi, said:

 

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. 

 

 

 

 

PS: The quotes about the army in Aghanistan shooting children or whatever was about the U.S. army. There was only one article in that piece about the Dutch hitting civilians, which led to a government wide investigation. No children were hit in this incident, and the government made an official apology to the Afghan people, even though the incident happened because the Taliban used those people as a human shield in the bombing. The Dutch army is internationally well known (nowadays) as being quite diplomatic.

 

 I said sometimes words can be very effective but most of the times not. If you know words are in vain and you still continue to say same thing over and over again either you are showing off or you are scaring of taking action. Gandhi´s words were very effective. But without passive disobedience they would be useless. Passive disobedience is an act too. Acts don´t mean they have to be violent. You can´t change anything with only words. There is a saying in Turkish "The dog which barks, doesn´t bite" For example everybody said Israel to not to hinder human aid to Palestine but they were no use until now. Some activists took action and now it is an international matter. And everyone now condemns Israel. Without this action could it be possible such a thing? I don´t say go and be killed. But at least don´t make noise if you don´t have enough courage to take action like me.



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Thread: Relief ship stopped by Israeli Navy

4464.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 31 May 2010 Mon 10:39 pm

I don´t know when Israel´s cruelty will end. I don´t know how many more people have to die to it finish. But Israel´s name was already written to the black pages of the history. I respect the brave and innocent people who are killed by Israeli soldiers on that ship. They showed us what courage means. They defended themselves with their fists against machine guns. And they became martyrs for us. This is what courage means. I learned one of the ships´ name is Rachel Corrie. It is also so meaningful.



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Thread: T to E my attempt

4465.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 31 May 2010 Mon 02:47 am

 

Quoting Inscrutable

yüzmeye gitmedim çünkü kendimi tembel hissettim. Is this correct now? Thank yo

 

 Yes it sounds better. The first sentence sounded weird. But then I thought about other sentences like "Dün çok tembeldin(You were very lazy yesterday)" And it seemed ok to me. So I am now not sure whether "Yüzmeye gitmedim çünkü tembeldim" is wrong or not. But it sounds weird to me. So I wonder what the opinions of other natives are.



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Thread: Kurdish children jailed in Turkey under anti-terror law

4466.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 31 May 2010 Mon 02:29 am

 

Quoting oeince

Yes! Action is important! Although social sciences sources are the combination of ideas, written and verbal sources; These works must be turned to action to create broader effects.

 

However action is sth. that everyone expect from others. Noone wants to take the responsibility. To be an actionaist we must just do! Not say others to do! Or not criticise someone for not to do!

 

We followers of Turkishclass are people from various different Nations and ideologic background. Together with that, still we can compromise on some basic points.

 

Why dont we compromise on a press statement than? Such as on that issue! Let off the children!

Being in action and taking responsibility on the solutions is really meaningful!

 

What do you think?

 

 I agree all what you say. I am not perfect. I am not an activist. I tell others what to do. But the main difference is I know who I am. I say I  am ashamed of my cowardice when I remember Rachel Corrie´s selfless action. But some people here feel like they are freedom fighters when they say empty words. I think a collective action is way better than empty words. It will not change anything if I say "Don´t send children to prison!" or "PKK, don´t use children!" I f you say something will change I am ready to say these all day.

 



Thread: T to E my attempt

4467.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 31 May 2010 Mon 02:02 am

 

Quoting Inscrutable

yüzmeye gitmedim çünkü tembeldim. Thank you

 

 We use being lazy as a habit. So you can´t say in Turkish I was lazy if you act lazily sometimes. You can use here "kendimi tembel hissettim".



Thread: Kurdish children jailed in Turkey under anti-terror law

4468.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 31 May 2010 Mon 01:31 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

There are some people who go very far in their protests, and it´s nice to see how far people can go to help others. However, being run over by a bulldozer is not the most productive way to change the world. There are many levels of protesting agaist injustice. The first one is opening your mouth. The worst thing is to say "Wir haben es nicht gewust" (We didn´t know)

My first step of protest is actually opening my mouth. I was part of a project in which we went to visit schools throughout Holland, to teach them about the Children´s Rights charters. How these rights applied to the kids in Holland, and how the status of children´s rights were in other countries. No, there were no bulldozers involved, but I think at least I did a little something to make those kids aware of what was happenig in the world. Did I earn the right to complain on this forum? Or is there another level of "doing something" that I need to reach before I´m allowed to have an opinion?

 I agree opening mouth is the first step. But you can´t stop in the first step if you want to change something. Words can be sometimes very effective but most of the times not. Some people won´t want to listen you. Most of the time a collective action is better than words. Everyone condemns Israel and USA for their crimes but they don´t listen anybody. Words are useless. After you understand words are no use and you keep saying same things over and over again knowing they will change nothing you are either showing off or you are afraid of taking action. I am reading now Frantz Fanon´s Wretched of The World. It tells the struggle of colony people and how words are useless without action. There is a famous foreword of J.P.Sartre for this book. You can find it here.http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/sartre/1961/preface.htm Read it carefully and you will understand what I mean. I don´t approve unnecessary violence. But taking action doesn´t mean only violence. Rachel Corrie´s action wasn´t violent. But it was very effective. I don´t advice you to be killed. But you should do more than talking. Rachel Corrie is now a martyr. She gives me hope for a good and peaceful future.She gives me courage. She tells me you must be brave and afraid of nothing when you are right. If she just talked and did nothing I wouldn´t even know her. I wouldn´t want her be killed by a bulldozer. But I respect her decision. She was so brave and when I remember this selfless act I am ashamed of my cowardice.

 

 I think only way to solve Kurdish problem is diplomacy for Turkey. I support the government´s Kurdish opening. But I am sure Kurdish politicians will want more. Their ultimate goal is having their own country. But Turkey still suffers the traumas of first world war. We lost many lands. And nobody want to lose more lands. It has become a taboo to even talk about giving more lands. So without a war Turkey will never allow Kurds to have their own country. My thoughts are these about this matter.

 

Note: By the way I am not a marxist. I hate marxism. I am a social democrat.

 

 



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Thread: TURKISH NOVELS

4469.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 30 May 2010 Sun 03:54 am

Ahmet Mithat Efendi/ Çingene (The Gipsy)

 

Ahmet Mithat Efendi who is struggling to  enlighten his people with a humanist approach by bringing a different view point against all prejudgments and superstitions of his period at every turn, is drawing attention to a subject which is unpleasant but important, in this work of his which is named The Gipsy.

 

This work which is presented to present day reader for the first time after it was written with a great mastery by Ahmet Mithat  exactly 122 years ago, is a work that one should read it by holding it up as an example

 

(from idefixe)

 

An anti-racist work and it tells how our people saw gypsies 122 years ago. Our approach to them wasn´t so brilliant like now. You should read it.

 

 



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Thread: T-E

4470.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 30 May 2010 Sun 02:13 am

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

We could be the same;  no matter what they say…I am thinking that we should spend  the rest of our lives together…

 

 Onlar ne derse desin aynı olabilirdik... Düşünüyorum da hayatımızın geri kalanını  beraber geçirirdik.



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