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Thread: Web links about Turkia you'd like to mention

531.       erdinc
2151 posts
 20 Jul 2006 Thu 11:25 am

This was again posted on another topic and I decided to copy this here. Thanks to mlashkar for this link. It is a comercial website but the clickable Turkia map works good:
http://www.voyagerbook.com/eng/iller/34/34.asp

Quoting mlashkar:

About Turkey:
voyagerbook

Hotels, City Guide, Agency & Rent a Car, Large Stories
Turkey Provinces, Tourism In Turkey, Turkish Cuisine,
Culture, Museums, Consulates, Tourism Information,
Life, Business, Yachts & Marinas, Weather Forecast,
Transport, Exchange Rate, Important Telephones, Radio, Games, Photo Gallery.

And it is provided in many languages:
English, Turkish, Francais, Espanol, Deutsch, Italiano and I think Russian.



Thread: Web links about Turkia you'd like to mention

532.       erdinc
2151 posts
 20 Jul 2006 Thu 11:22 am

This was posted in another message. So, let's move it here. Thanks to slavica for the links.

Quoting slavica:

About Turkia:

Turkey welcomes you - Turkish Culture and Tourism
- two websites by the Turkish Ministry of Culture and Tourism (included in TC list of useful links, but not on this topic)

http://www.tourismturkey.org/

http://www.kultur.gov.tr/EN/

One more website by the Turkish Ministry of Culture and Tourism
http://goturkey.kultur.gov.tr/turizm_en.asp
Travel guide (visas, Turkey embassies abroad, Tourism Offices Abroad), Regions, Destinatios, City Guide


Learn more about Turkey
http://www.about-turkey.com/

Commercial and non-commercial sites about Turkey that categorized by field of activity, Touristic and historical information and photos about Turkey regional informations, thermal resorts, historical places, summer and winter holiday facilities, important addresses and telephones, tourism guide and more., Information About Turkish Cuisine., All about to the Anatolian Carpets.

All About Turkey
http://www.allaboutturkey.com/

Burak Sansal, an experienced professional tour guide, on this site introduces Turkey's history, tourist sites, regions, culture and Islam, also gives touristic informatins and photos.



Thread: Survey on Turkish Language

533.       erdinc
2151 posts
 20 Jul 2006 Thu 10:52 am

Greetings elf,

Nice to see you here. I'm sure many of our foreign members will contribute to your survey.

Ankete yardımcı olamadığım için üzgünüm. HoşÃ§akalın.



Thread: Questions tools

534.       erdinc
2151 posts
 20 Jul 2006 Thu 03:58 am


nere: this is the slang version of neresi. With time the nominative changed from "nere to neresi". So we don't use nere (except locals) but we use neresi.


neresi : nominative : what place
nere-y-i : -i case > what place
nere-de : -de case > in/at/on what place
nere-y-e : -e case > to what place
nere-den : -den case > from what place

"ne" is a different question word.

ne : nominative : what
ne-y-i : -i case > what
ne-y-de : -de case > in/at/on what
ne-y-e : -e case > to what
ne-y-den : -den case > from what

kim : nominative: who
kim-i : -i case > who
kim-de : -de case > in/at/on whom
kim-e : -e case > to whom
kim-den -den case > from from whom


Notice that the question matches the same case as answer:

Nere-den geliyorsun? Ankara'dan.
from where...? From...

Nere-y-e gidiyorsun? İstanbul'a
to where...? To...



Thread: Meyhane

535.       erdinc
2151 posts
 20 Jul 2006 Thu 02:45 am

I don't think so. People are just curious about strangers. Especially a tourist in a local kahve would be a big surprise if it is not a touristic town.

In a big city or in a touristic town nobody would care much. On the other hand, an ordinary traditional town or village would be very different.

I think what would happen is that, they would all think that you have lost your way and would try to help you. First they would offer you a seat. Then some tea and maybe water, afterwards some cigarettes of course. I think if you would talk a few words Turkish they would be so surprised that even people outside the cafe would come to see you.



Thread: "only"

536.       erdinc
2151 posts
 20 Jul 2006 Thu 01:39 am

"Çok az Türkçe biliyorum " is a good sentence, very good indeed.

"Only" can be translated as "sadece" or "yalnızca". "Sadece" is more common. They have the same meaning.

"Sadece biraz Türkçe biliyorum." (I only know a little Turkish) would be a normal Turkish sentence and pretty much the equalent to the English one. The difference is that this second sentence implies that people were expecting me to know more but I don't know more.



Thread: what would be ur favoriest 3 words if was needed to explain to life?:)

537.       erdinc
2151 posts
 19 Jul 2006 Wed 09:36 pm

melody, harmony, rhythm



Thread: Lots of unnecessary messages

538.       erdinc
2151 posts
 19 Jul 2006 Wed 08:44 pm

With such a nice picture in your profile it is not a surprise I think. Please report them as spam by pressing the "spam" button on the message.

You can also consider removing or changing your picture but this is your choice. Bye.



Thread: -esi suffix

539.       erdinc
2151 posts
 19 Jul 2006 Wed 04:42 pm

Quoting qdemir:

And that's why some people neither can understand what he reads nor express himself. What the pittiest thing of all is that such people are not aware of the sitution in which they are and how intimigated ignorant they are and try to interfere the language so as to which words to be used, which ones to be eliminated form the langugage. They say that they do this on behalf of forming a "pure" Turkish.



This topic is now closed. Write more carefully. I think everybody sees who the some people are who don't understand someting. It isn't nice to make this a personal issue by adding hidden attacks behind the lines.

We have had conflicts with Ottoman admirers in the past. They are permanent opponents of modern Turkia, Turkish language, language reform and Atatürk.

I don't mind having intellectual argumenst and it is quite fun when people are well equipped though it is difficult when they are not or when they are obsessive.

Some poeple are so obsessive they can't handle it when I write something about Ottoman language. They get crazy.



Thread: -esi suffix

540.       erdinc
2151 posts
 19 Jul 2006 Wed 04:40 pm

Academically the Ottoman language is now not seen as Turkish. I agree that the Ottomans didn't call it as Ottoman langauge at their time. They said it was Turkish. But now authorities see it as an independent langauge because unique grammar rules.

It is seen as an artificial mixture of three languages which are fifty percent Turkish, thirty percent Arabic and twenty percent Farsian.

Because it was half Turkish it is only natural that Ottoman language had many things in common. But there were many differences.

Ottoman language had many letters that were not existing in Turkish. It is not only the alphabet that was different but letters, sounds, vocabulary, tenses, negatives, conjugations were different. In short the a whole grammar was different.

Even after the langauge reform when we returned to Turkish there were too many problems that couldn't be solved in an instant. The language reform is unfortunately not understood by many Turks. It was more than changing the alphabet. It was more than replacing Arabic words. It was return to pure Turkish.

Because both vocabulary and grammar was mixed the Ottoman Turkish was uniquie and different than any of those three languages. Because it had a unique vocabulary and grammar the language qualifies to be called with its own name.

In fact all academical circles in Turkia see Ottoman Turkish something different than Turkish. As I said we call this language Osmanlıca.

In short:
"Ottoman Turkish was an artificial langauge that was created mixing up the three languages, Turkish, Arabic and Farsian."
Ottoman Empire collapsed and we have stopped using Ottoman language but returned to Turkish.



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