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18 Apr 2008 Fri 02:50 am |
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Quoting Tazx1: I am learning Turkish. One of the things I find difficult is understanding when a short infinitive is 'Not' a negative. Yani, I know that >gel-mem [gel-me-m] means I do not go. But when I see things like
'gelmemlazim', 'olmam gerek' ... 'Türk hurrieytinin sesi dinmemiştir' >> I get confused whether a short infinitive is being deployed or is it a 'negative' >> eg. does
''Türk hurrieytinin sesi dinmemiştir' > means that 'The voice of Turkish freedom was heard' OR '... it was not heard'!!!
Can someone expert Turkish 'bilen' guide me how to negotiate this problem? Is there a simple way out?
Other examples:
Gelme, bakma > don't come, don't see
Gelme, bakma > The way s/he/it - comes, sees
Gelmeme, bakmama > to my coming, to my seeing
Tazx1 |
It is hard to explain short way, and also hard to understand in a short time period.
But the first step is;
find the main verb!
If it is the main verb which has -me/ma/mi/mı/mu/mü suffix, then it is negative. Otherwise, you have to analyse the relative clause too. If the verb of the relative clause needs -me/ma suffix, it is not negative. If it doesn't need, then it is negative.
Example;
Gitmem
There is only one verb, and it is the verb of our main clause. So this is main verb. That means: no doubt that this is negative.
Example;
Gitmem gerek
There are two verbs but only one main verb: "gerek olmak"
It means "something is needed"
gerek has no -me/ma.. > the main verb is positive
gitmem is basically "benim gitmem". Even though this is an action, that doesn't tell us a statement happens or not. So that is not a sentence or a clause. "gitme" is not the verb of a sentence. So there is a need of infinitive suffix before the negative suffix. This is only an action or statement, not a sentence or a clause. It is just like "my going"
So this sentence means:
"my going" is needed
Let's consider the negative of the same example;
Gitmemem gerek
You see the same situation; gerek is the main verb. Gitmemem is "my not going". Because;
"gerek" needs a subject:
bir şey gerek!
something is needed!
For our example, the needed thing is "gitmemem". So it has to be a subject. And subjects never has inflexion-suffix
gitmemem has the infinitive suffix -me first:
gitmemem
and then there is one more -me for negative:
gitmemem
So that means: "my not going" is needed
As a last example; let's look at your sentence:
Türk hürriyetinin sesi dinmemiştir
What is the main verb?
- dinmemiştir
So that is negative.
Big note: I am not a teacher, so I might have missed other situations of -me/ma suffix.
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